Editorial on Juande
By: Corey | December 29th, 2008First off, I got some very sad news the other day. The man that got me interested in writing about Spanish football, Phil Ball, wrote his last piece for ESPN, atleast temporarily. It seems he has taken a 6 month job in the Middle East for a little extra dough, so he wont be writing on La Liga while he is out of the country. He does expect to be back for next season, but we will see what happens in the next six months. My hope is that he does come back, I have been reading his column since day 1, 8 long years ago when I first started getting involved with Real Madrid in different online forums.
Also, for a shameless plug, ESPN if your reading, I will fill in for Phil for six months no problem.
Now, after some great debate on El Clasico and the Valencia match, I found myself looking at Real Madrid through a different light. Dancy covered the game details excellently, and I really didnt think I needed to add much more to it. After the match I was pretty angry, but after tempering my anger by watching my beloved Buffalo Bills fluff a chance to beat the Patriots with the most pathetic of circumstances, I realized I was not that angry with Real. In fact, I found so new rays of hope that I wanted to share with all of you.
First, and probably the most important, was the fact that we defended well at the Nou Camp. Sure we didnt take the game to Barca like we should, but given the situation we find ourselves in this campaign, the first step to improving is to have an organized backline. And I was very impressed with the organization and commitment the whole team showed in containing a offensive minded Barcelona team. Barca knew they were the favorites, and they smelled blood before the match even began, but we kept them out for a majoirty of the match. I cant wait to see what we can do defensively when we have a few more first team regulars fit and on the pitch.
We should see a much more organized team that moves up and down the pitch together as a unit. This means a more organized attacking threat too, which is something we were not seeing this year under Schuster. It seemed as if men just poored forward, looking for something to happen under Schuster. We will see more short passing, more possession, and more chances created from interchange between the forwards and midfield. Its about time!
The loss to Barca was a morale booster simply because of the way the team played. It was impressive even though they lost to the hated rival, but the players attitudes improved so much. As long as Juande shows us something different tactically, regardless of whether it works every time, it will be a success. Schuster never, ever switched up his formation or tactics, and he wondered why we lost to “lesser” teams this year.
We defended well against Valencia too. Granted, Silva was not introduced until much later in the second half, so the three man midfield didnt really have to much effect on the game, but you must admit Marcelo and Salgado did well against Valencia’s wing terrors. And Villa was handled pretty well too, considering Metzelder is as slow as my turtle Max. Better organization and a greater dependability on the central midfielders, i.e. Gago, to drop deeper to help out. Very positive.
Second, Juande talks to his players. He encourages them, he motivates them, he instructs them beyond what his assitants say to do for him. In otherwords, he coaches his team. Something Schuster really did not do. He was silent on the training ground, except when he was playing with his players. Juande must already have a better relationship with most of the players then Schuster did. This is important because it was pretty telling that alot of the players had little motivation on the pitch in several games this year. The lesser games against Getafe or Almeria are sometimes where the motivational skills of the coach are needed, as they are not as glamorous a match as say Juventus. But thats where the title is won, with wins against the teams that could prove to be slip-ups.
He also handles the press pretty well. This little tidbit a few days ago does not do team morale any harm:
“What is certain is that they will meet a trough sooner or later, like all teams with such a busy schedule.”
“We have already passed the worst and after Christmas will regain strength and will have two or three new signings. We will be a team strengthened and highly motivated.
“My formula is clear. We’re going to win, win, win and win without thinking about anything else at the club.
“We are alive and if they fail someday, we will be there to take advantage.”
We have a winner as a coach, not a melancholy old grouchy German who couldnt be bothered to communicate much of anything to the press beyond the “manager speak” that dominates pressers these days as to remain politically correct. Absolute shit Schuster.
Third, and this is sooooo important. Juande took one look at the Castilla team and said ‘Wow!’. He trusts in youth, and he knows that the Castilla products are ready for La Liga action, so he has had several of them training with the first team. Gorka, Mateos, Velayos, Agus and Chema Anton have all been training with the first team at some point since Juande took over, with Chema even making the bench against Barca. And of course Palanca was quite sensational against Barca, and he should make the bench again against Valencia, along with Bueno who should see mintues as this game wont be as defensive as Barca.
Also, I just found out that Daniel Opare was with the first team training for a few days! What great news, this is great experience for the youngster. Unfortunately he got injured, I believe a metatarsal, and has had surgery so his season is probably done. But I think more and more these young guys will be integrated into the first team on a full time basis, and it will be great to see, finally. It is very important to have Castilla players begin to get games with the first squad. There really is no other way to see if they can make it in the team unless they train with the team and play in La Liga. My hope is that we dont end up loosing out on another Negredo, or Callejon brothers, or Arbeloa. Borja Valero, well he wasnt very good anyways, if he cant get a game playing for the worst team in England.
Fourth, and again this is a big one. Juande has looked to sign Lassana Diarra from Portsmouth. Not Pedja, but Juande initiated this one. He has some very good defensive qualities, and will be a perfect substitute for Mamadou Diarra this season. As to what happens next season with two Diarras in the team, who knows? But this doesnt bode well for Javi Garcia, although must of us saw that coming as he has been a little shaky all year. Hopefully he steps it up, but if not Diarra is an astute purchase.
He also has a much wider scouting net the just Cristiano Ronaldo on his mind. The club is still looking for a right winger in the winter, but I still doubt that one will come in. Di Maria of course is not a right winger, but can be used there as an option. I dont think this is much of a plan, so Juande looks to have scraped that. Besides being linked with several of his old Tottenham players, all of which seem highly unlikely, he has looked at a few more interesting English players like Middlesborough’s Adam Johnson and Aston Villa’s Ashley Young. Now I dont know if they have the quality needed to succeed at Real, but then again, we are letting Royston Drenthe play alot this year and somehow people think he is good enough.
Theres also considerable talk of Alberto Zapater being signed in the winter or summer as a makeshift right sided player. He is not a winger persay, but he does do a great job on the right. He isnt Jesus Navas, but he is still a very good player for Zaragoza. Whether it happens or not remains up in the air, but it is nice to once again be linked to Spanish players. *Gasp*, buying players from your own country!?! I thought we just brought Dutch players over by the truck load.
He also wants to use Parejo, who he recalled from loan, although after a change in manager, was not playing for QPR. Interesting how English managers still distrust foreign players. With the Diarra signing this seems to again overload our team with midfield players, but this could also be a clear indication that Guti’s indifferent form will not be tolerated any longer. I personally think Parejo should continue his loan in England, it will toughen him up and he will probably have more space in the squad this summer when a few sales are made. Then again, Im sure Esteban Granero comes back to us this summer too, so we will have alot of midfield options. That right winger is still a priority though, and Cristiano Ronaldo is definately off the radar for once!.
The big news recently is that Frank Ribery would like to play for Real Madrid. Now I dont know about you, but I would take Ribery over Ronaldo for a few reasons, but besides the transfer being a little easier to see through, it makes more sense for the team. Ronaldo’s move just doesnt look like it will happen, and there is no point in waiting around for the guy. I dont suspect Ribery will be signed this winter, or even this summer if Pedja is still in a job, but if a player wants to play for your team, and he is a quality player in a position where you need depth, then why not?
Fifth, and not really Juande’s doing, but the Hunter trained today on the pitch with the rest of the recovery players. He jogged with Heinze, Pepe Torres and Sneijder under the instruction of fitness coach Carlos Lalin and seemed visibly pleased to be at Valdebabas. Besides the Hunter, which I from now on will solely refer to him as, with “the” being the imperative addition to the nickname, the rest of the injured players will be returning to first team duty throughout January.
This is great news, and its also the conclusion of my piece on optimism in the Real camp. I was intially against Schuster being sacked after the Getafe loss. I figured it would bring even more instability to the team, and plunge us into even worse a plight. But Mijatovic had a bit of a master stroke in signing Ramos. Of course the jury is still out on whether or not he can get the results, but he has brought a calm and stable atmosphere to the team. He also has wrestled away almost complete control from Mijatovic, so that he is the authority on player movement, and Pedja simply does his bidding.
That could be 1. The first step to getting rid of Pedja is Juande’s buys are a success and 2. The beginning of a flatter organizational structure at Real, which could only benefit a coach. This is just speculation of course, but Juande is doing some thing that he might not even recognize are important, but are helping out tremendously. Now all he has to do is start winning matches on the pitch. No pressure or anything…
Juande has been given more control then Schuster had, so here is perfect evidence of that. If you are to believe the press, then Jermaine Pennant’s “deal” with Real was scuppered because of high wage demands. Maybe, but I have a hard time believing we were looking to sign a player that is so average. Not to sound snoody, but he just doesnt fit the bill when you think of Real with a right winger. Ronaldo does, Ribery does, to me Jesus Navas does. But Jermaine Penant? I dont think so, and Juande did not either, so he really challenged Mijatovic on this signing and I think would became clear is that Pedja low balled the contract to see if he would bite and then run off to Calderon to say “Look, I did some good business, getting a player we needed for such low money!” Even though we dont need him.
Well there, I sort of just typed out everything I was thinking in my head, I apologize if it is disorganized and messy, but enjoy the read and let me know what you think.
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Hector- You are correct about Sevilla’s play under Ramos. While much of the ground work was laid by Chaparro who came before him, he did use the wings very well. A player like Alves, although a little subdued at Barca, could be considered Sevilla’s play maker during that time, such was his impact on the two years of UEFA cup domination. But then again Puerta, Adriano, Jesus Navas and Fernando Sales (man forgot about him but he was pretty pivotal on the right when Navas was still a young pup) were huge in that they spread teams to the max, and gave great service to Kanoute, Kerzhakov and Fabiano to be such effective poachers.
I bet we will see alot of that in Real. And I have wanted it for awhile, I am a proponent of wing play, something the past 4 coaches really didnt see much use in. Schuster’s lack of width was pathetic, and it stymied the team when we were found out. Juande, in my estimation, will spread the field and also use a singe striker more often to have Guti, Sneijder or VdV able to be the “crack” that they should be in a much more freer role. Sounds tantalizing.
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Corey, I can’t agree with you when you say “Real Madrid does stand for beautiful, flowing football”. Madrid is about winning, and if you can’t win, you fight until the very last drop of sweat leaves your body. That’s what Real Madrid is first and foremost about, the excellence in play comes later. What sets Madrid apart from any other club in the world is the 9 European Cups, the 31 leagues… etc. The Trophies sets us apart from every other team.
Then, anyone that knows a little bit of history knows that Santiago Bernabeu was the most influential president this club has had. He inculcated certain values of hard work, never say die, and to give it all for the shirt. Not fancy footwork, or beautiful play or flowing football.
I’ve got a quote i saved a few years ago: “Real Madrid were very consistent,” Valdano said. “They showcased values everyone at the Bernabeu appreciates, such as hard work and a high level of demand.” Not beautiful football. The always erudite Jorge Valdano said that La Quinta del Buitre, and especially Butragueño (along with Michel, and Martin Vazquez), gave the Bernabeu a finer palate. Up until then it was all about fight and spirit. Nowadays there is a bit more of a premium on playing well, but the fundamental core that was established by Santiago Bernabeu is still based on a never say die attitude.
La Quinta del Buitre played the best football in the history of Madrid. It was based on tremendously competitive players who fit perfectly well with each other.
There’s the famous story of when Amancio signed from Depor as a young up and coming star. He came in thinking he was hot shit, and Di Stefano handed a blank t-shirt in his first match, a friendly in Africa, without the Madrid crest. Amancio was confused and Di Stefano told him, “Para lle var el escudo del Madrid en esa camiseta primero hay que sudarla” (basically, you have to sweat the shirt before you get the badge).
Of course we are talking about excellent players here. Real Madrid isn’t just based on all hard work but this club is certainly not about beautiful, flowing football. There’s a difference between beautiful and good. We have always played good football because of the hard work we put out on the pitch.
It took me a while to understand this and I hope maybe more Madridista’s will understand this and install it as a club value.
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i guess its everyone to his own interpretation of madrid. beautiful doesn’t automatically equate effortless , elegant ,pass the ball into the net football. if that was the only case , the only teams that would ever have played beautiful football would be brazil of 1982 and milan under sacchi.
i can’t agree with you julien , to say that playing your heart out and sweating for the shirt doesn’t result in boring football. that only comes from helenio herrera’s inter and catenaccio. i think that la quinta played some very good football. hard work and grit, yes. but not bad football. i don’t need to re-read my history. we both just have different tints on our glasses.
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Corey-
Darn forgot about Salas too. Good memory! Also Enzo Maresca had his share of clutch moments. I agree that spreading the field with a single striker is what Juande would LIKE to do. However, as of this moment you guys have one true good winger who can be great if he learns to not be a ballhog (Robben), two young unproven wingers including one so unclutch he makes Tony Romo look like Joe Montana (Palanca and Drenthe), and a fullback converted to winger who cant cross to save his life (Marcelo). Sergio Ramos can definitely play the old Alves role and give more width on the right to compensate for a lack of a true proven right winger but that depends on the defense staying healthy so he can charge forward (you guys NEED Garay back) Juande needs more depth an more proven experience to do something like than IMO.
I think a telling move is the purchase of Diarra 2. A 4-4-2 or a 4-4-3 with wingers usually entails a single defensive mid whereas Lass and Gago together would seem like he’s aiming for a 4-4-2 double pivot at least for now unless genius Pedja just spent 20 mill merely to add depth. At least until the summer when a purge and a buying spree can take place, I expect a double pivot while Gago and Lass are healthy. This will shield a shaky depth-thin defense and allow you to play counterattacking football in the CL. It wont always be pretty but it’ll be more effective than Schuster’s wingerless 4-3-3.
Ironically, you guys will probably be going against what IMO is the most effective club double pivot combo in the world IMO – Mascherano and Xabi Alonso. Use them as models. Masch is one of my favorite players and among the most underrated players in the world (best defensive mid in the world when healthy IMO). A true destroyer. Meanwhile Alonso does his fair share of good defending. The key is that both are great tacklers but also fool you because they are above average passers that can double as deep lying playmakers and play off each other. Lucky for you, Gago has already played the Xabi Alonso role in the National Team with, ioronically again, Mascherano as his partner. Diarra 1 was good at the double pivot with Gago but his passing wasn’t that great, especially long balls, and Schuster didnt give Gago that much freedom as he has on the Argie team. Can Diarra 2 be a Mascherano? Will Gago do well in a more prominent role? Should be interesting.
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Wish you a great 2009, ok I mean in everything aside football
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realrock, This is my last reply about the values of the club because I don’t want to hijack this blogg. I have not stated anything about ‘boring football’ or ‘bad football’ in any of my posts nor have I implied anything in that manner.
I have stated time and time again that the excellence in play always comes after the hard work. Santiago Bernabeu inculcated values of hard work, never say die, and to give it all for the shirt. Not beautiful play or free flowing football. The free flowing football is something that always came after. It was not an inculcated value, Santiago, Di Stefano, Valdano (who isn’t the greatest example) and the fact that Capello coached Real Madrid twice should tell you something because Capello certainly did not have an attractive style of football.
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Julien and realrock: I love the discussion. It’s a pleasure to read.
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Juilien,
You say that Anthony´s blog was a joke, but it is pretty much how things went down at Sevilla. Monchi was responsible for much of what happened there.
Yes, Ramos is a average/good coach, but he is not one of the upper echelon coaches.
But, the thing is, that is maybe what Madrid needs right now. If Ramos was such a great coach, then what happened at Spurs? He was able to get the players back into shape, get rid of some of the off-field problems, but on the field, he didn´t produce. Yes, you could argue that he literally had half of the team sold out from under him.
He was had unrivaled success at Sevilla, but that was coaching at Sevilla, where winning a La Liga trophy won’t get you fired.
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” Winning and do it with style” = real madrid that has been madrid’s motto since day 1 however I do see the point you’re trying to make julien but I have to agree with realrock here a team can play spectacular footy and still have the never say die attitude , never have the madridistas in real madrid’s entire history been satisfied with us winning ugly real has and will always stand by the “winning with style” mentality I’ve been a madrid fan forever and bar the capello years I have never seen madrid play ugly footy you should hear what the older madridistas say about the current madrid they’re disgusted by this team because what they’re used to seeing is a team spanking almost every team they face 5 nil , 4 nil 3 nil etc….while dominating the hell out of them
Anyways happy new year fellas hopefully this year will be better than the last one for us
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o yea juande ramos’s sevilla played the best football not in only in spain but also on the planet back in the 06/07 season
And ryan capello and lippi failed with milan and inter respectively does that make them wackos as well ? Get real brother no matter how good of a coach you may be you will NOT succeed everywhere
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Yes, Andres, they did play some of the best football then, and yes, you cannot coach everywhere, I agree with that.
The difference with Sevilla and Real Madrid is that in Sevilla during their run, they had several good players, who played great, and everyone played on the same page. At Madrid, you have to deal with much more than what happens on the pitch with all of the players, and also the chairman and staff who are constantly on top of everyone and scrutinize every move.
It’s a different world coaching near KM 0.
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In all truths, Juande was not may preferred coach, but he’s a great coach none the less.
I do think Anthony’s blog was a joke, looking at Juande’s past success in Spain, there is no reason to let his time in Tottenham over shadow his past successes. Are you honestly telling me that any average of good coach can take over Sevilla and deliver them to a UEFA Cup double? Yes, Monchi had his part to play in scouting those players but he wasn’t the one who setting out the orders or guiding those players trough there development. On top of that there is no way you are ever going to win a Cup without at least one talented player at your disposal.
Like what Andres said, Capello and Lippi had there past failures, but they are still great coaches, wouldn’t you agree? Junade has had his own past failures, but I don’t think there´s a manager in the world that hasn’t. Jorge Valdano said “every great coach must fail at least three times,” which he was basically saying that a coach must amend his mistakes and learn from them inorder to become great.
What happened at Spurs? It was his own fault he failed with Tottenham. He had failed to learn how to speak the language, resulting in him being unable to comunicate well with his players. Communication is very important when it comes to coaching, and I think many of us already know that during Schuster’s period here. There’s a lot of motivation and tachtiacl orders being given
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…tactical orders being given, when communicating with your players even through body language. He had Gus Poyet translating for him but the message just isn’t delivered in the same manner. It’s been pretty evident that Ramos does a lot of his coaching by talking a lot with his players and motivating them.
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Marca and AS seem to be on the page about the clubs targets this summer, Ribery and Benzema. That would be a dream summer.
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Hell yea but if benzema does join us where will that leave higuain , I believe that kid is as good as benzema and I’d hate to see him not reach his full potential because of lack of playing time
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Benzema will not compete for the same position as a Higuain, Higuain is a supporting striker. Benzema is a roaming target man or a center forward, he’ll be competing with Huntelaar. Higuain’s only competition is Raul and himself, he’s been fabulous but he’s got to start putting away more of his opportunities and build a better understanding with the striker he is paired with. If he grows to be a little more reliable
As far as Benzema competing with Huntelaar, I think he’s better than Huntelaar hands down. Benzema is a player that provides so much more than Huntelaar in every aspect of the game except for maybe finishing (were Huntelaar is probably a little better or equal to Benzema). I remember reading an article that was on either AS or Marca and the author stated, “Huntelaar is a great player but Eto’o, Aguero, and Villa are all better than him” and it goes on to explain that these players are all capable of being game changers, where Huntelaar, feeds and depends on the service from the midfield.
I also feel the comparison Schuster made between van Basten and JKH was a poor one. Marco was greater player than him on so many levels. Van Basten was widely considered the most complete striker ever, he had more skill and talent in his big toe than what Huntelaar has in both legs and feet, with all due respect. I Huntelaar was a good purchase, a very reliable goal scorer but he’s nothing compared to the potential of Benzema.
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Caught this one a bit late. Beautiful Article Corey. Maybe you should write for Soccernet!
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1-There isnt a team that stands for type of football, its rather about formations. There was a time when Real displayed perfection by the book with redondo, raul, hierro..then with figo and zidane…Barca has been playing with a 4-3-3 strategy, which translates into wing width…dinho and messi two ideal players for this formation. There was an ultra defensive Real under Capello and an offensive one under del bosque. In my opinion, beautiful football can be incorporated into any strategy as long as its played correctly. There’s nothing as watching fast breaking teams with only one striker like valencia or arsenal (i guess van persie can be seen as a second striker).
2-The best and healthiest football squads are built upon the foundation of 22 players with equal options to start every match. Constant change encourages the players to play hard and it also gives more analysis depth for the coach. Benzema can play along with huntelaar or higuain, its not like its a videogame in which he can only be placed-or only effective- as a second striker.
3-Lets analyze MVBasten in comparison to Huntelaar later on, its simply a custom to compare every new talent to a symbolic figure, the same was said about F Torres a couple years back and look at him now. Or Pepe as the new fernando hierro…gago as the new redondo (he’s got a long way and height is a factor)…messi the new maradona etc etc
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rvn injury ftl
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Julien G benzema plays as the support striker too sometimes , so he will not be competing with only huntelaar he will do so with raul and higuain as well and you forgot that there is ruud also what happens to him ,? Unless he leaves or raul retires we shouldn’t add another forward to our squad but that’s just me though
A right winger ( ribery hopefully )and a left back should be our priority
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9 CLs: Obviously not but as a coach you don’t want to play a player where he is not comfortable or where he will not perform to his top potential. You play him out of his position only if it’s necessary, don’t you agree?
You know, Real played actually played some nice football under Capello in his first spell under the club even though we were playing under a defensive minded coach. Players like Redondo, Seedorf, Hierro and Roberto Carlos brought something special to the game… we have always had the extraordinary talent to bring good football even under the most defensive systems (I think, Corey had the example of Del Bosque). For the past couple of years we didn’t have the luxury of such players.
Andres: I’m pretty much a Bordeaux fan first and foremost, and I can tell you Benzema hardly ever played as a second striker. He either played to the left as a winger or as a lone striker. Just recently, under Puel he has been playing a CF role right along side Fred but OL are not get the same type of pull to the forwards. However I do agree with you, that they are all going to be competing for two spots but down the line his main competition is going to be Huntelaar. It doesn’t make the most sense playing him off another targetmen where you wont get the best out of him, nor will Huntelaar get the type service he requires, which in hand hinders both of there performances. Trust me Higuain will play (hopefully putting Raul to rest).
I think Ruud is gone. This is his second major injury in his career, last season he was out for three months and he’s getting no younger. He hasn’t completed his required 30 games for a contract extension (the option of another year) so his time here is most likely done. On top of that the management have stated Huntelaar is his natural replacement, he has come to replace Ruud. I think there intentions are pretty clear not to renew.
Last I herd. there were rumours of Roma being interested in his services. Saviola is probably gone as well.
Again, this season we must make sure to have cover for all our holes starting from the right wing, competition for Huntelaar, a right back (Salgado’s contract expires) and a left back to replace wither Heinze or Marcelo (I would like to see Chema Anton get a shot, he’s supposedly better rated than Torres was).
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Julien G Well in that case bring the benz in lol , the reason I wasn’t so sure about this move is because I thought ruud will be staying with us had that been the case there would have been some behind the scene problems we all know that he doesn’t take the bench role very well
Anyways are you ready for tomorrow man ? I know villareal are very good but im feeling pretty confident
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I agree Julen but we don’t know how a player will perform in a different position until so it happens. It just doesnt depend on positioning but also on the type of league and general understanding. Spanish players have been succeeding in the premier league yet the calcio has never been their cup of tea, why? there can be many reasons im sure, so let it be and we’ll see. I do think though it can be quite dangerous to have too many strikers come at once since Real will have to pay a gargantuan sum for Benzema.
The thought of Ribery really brings optimism. CR is presently the best or most talented player but can he become a game organizer? is he truly committed or is he prone to fame distractions? Ribery comes to me as a winger or organizer, i admire how he takes all responsibility when playing for France, he would be a safe bet.
The current or next president has something important to take care about ASAP, la Cantera! Real’s latest disinterest for its young talents is quite dissapointing and the lack of it stands out compared to Barca, Sevilla and Arsenal. Real needs to recuperate its school foundation in order to emulate Lorenzo Sanz’s latest run. Year after year, Real sign important international names and keep one of the infinite young talents that are sold all around Europe. Time for a change, it looks like Calderón realized this defficiency and recovered Dani Parejo, especially when Michel resigned as Castilla’s coach and said “Calderón underestimates our young players”.
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