Subliminal Message: Sell Me

Oh Kaka...mucho "I belong to Jesus" but little else. In my view, this is a guy who never really wanted to leave AC Milan, but did so because it 'was a good deal for both Milan and myself'. Look back at the stories from a year ago and read up on what Kaka says about a possible move to Madrid, and arguably, there is a lack of enthusiasm.

We can't sell him now, and we shouldn't because it's a bad business move. On the bright side, an opportunity has presented itself for Canales.

Oh no! Jose Mourinho wants... silverware???

That's not going to sit well with the Pellegrini fan boi club, who believe success is measured by losing to Barca by only two points.

Heaven forbid, Mourinho might also ask for Real to get past the QF of the group stages.

“I have everything I need" from Mou

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yer his lack of passion for Madrid is something i can agree with, as far as the love he has for Milan, i'm sure Schalke know that Raul is always going to be a fan of Madrid and yet they take him.

Zizou like most clowns junaid is funny I agree

Lol deepak

Muna the robben case is totally different from the kaka one , robben wasn't a flop by any means he was sold because of politics , no fan was behind that sell because it had nothing to do with football but this time around its the fans that want Kaka out because footballing wise he had brought us nothing
And what pisses me off a bit is his lack of commitment to us , his doctor said today that he shouldn't participated in the WC he knew he was risking being out for a long time during the season but he doesn't care about Madrid enough to do the right thing which would have been to not play throught the pain
Having said that i wouldn't mind if he stayed one more season to try to make it up to us

Zizou, i think Granero's best position would be the one directly ahead of the central midfielder and DM. I think this is what we need right now. Kaka is too much of an attacking player and as we have seen before refuses to track back. Granero on the other hand can hold on to the ball and when on form, can really pass well! So i think we have that position covered!

Zizou, VDV is 27 as well

@Junaid, someone branded you as the Most hated guy, I believe it was Toby and I don't disagree at all or rather it's clear why you were branded such. @Bassam, agreed if it were possible,but trust me no Management is as dumb as Ours.

Corey, Juanaid is one of your longest serving readers :)

LOL @junaid. You're funny.
Andres, I agree with you about snjeider but even with robben, we're saying the same thing. Many of us and even the real madrid board got unduely excited by the signings we made last season, so robben and co were seen as surpluses and were used to make money . But as it turned, he was the only player we had for his position.
And that's the case with kaka now. He has undeniable quality but just happens to be out of form. And don't be carried away by his age because 28 is still quite young for a player, he still has so many years to offer. Ask diego milito,drogba,gerrard,lampard, and co. And they'll tell you what I'm saying. Mind you, kaka is much younger than all those guys.
I'm, telling you that we would be the laughing stalk of Europe if we let this guy slip through our finger for an even less amount than we bought him. He has quality but this period is like the worst part of his career. He will rise up again, don't worry.

And that is why I hate Junaid.

i agree with wp and muna about not selling kaka. that's party because i don't believe we can possibly cash on a player, who has been rumoured to have been close to ending his career for injury-reasons.

Thankfully, we don't have spastics like yourself running the club.

Kaka' will play an integral role in Mourinho's plan, especially in the CL.

Granero shouldn't be playing in Kaka's position or out wide like he did again, hopefully after 1 season we may finally see him in his natural position.

lolz a lot of people dislike Junaid but his comments are always fun.

I really don't see the point in buying Cole now that we don't have a young LB who can take over, Cole is just a short term solution. ( unless we are actually planning on buying Alonso back)

I definitly think Vdv has enough CL experience to take over from Kaka. He's 25? now so I think we can trust him. I want Kaka to stay but i'm glad he'll be out for a while so everyone can forget him and it will be much easier for him to come back into the team once everyone is used to playing with each other.

I think the correct wording is: Your standards are getting too high for this blog, lord Junaid.

Even at a loss, if we can get 40 mill for him, then I'm down. The money we are going to save on salary and the money we made from shirt sales and publicity i think cover some of the sum that we will lose. VDV, Canales and Granero are more than ready to take over that spot. Worse case scenario, we try Sarabia there. Waiting one season and seeing him injured all the time or not performing while he nears his thirties will just be suicide.

The question is, will anyone pay 40 mill for him? I hope someone does.

There should be a referendum b4 the disqus comment system is introduced. For one, it's hard to comment from a mobile phone wit that system.

I can't believe it was possible, but the blog has sunk to even lower standards.

When is the Disqus comment system coming here, I want to like Andres's comment on Sneijder.

I'm not sure on the whole Kaka situation, if he can be fit and play well for us, I won't mind and I won't mind either if we got all of our money back, selling him after his injuries will cost us dear, it'll be better to keep him, bench him and make him earn a spot in the team.

Muna, I know we've made bad business decisions in the past, and you're spot on on Sneijder and Robben, but Kaka has been a terrible business decision so far, and that's a fact.

He hasn't lived up to our expectations, he's making tons of money, and now he has a new injury, one the clud didn't know about. And excuse if I keep going at this, but I've had knee injuries before, and ONE CLEARLY KNOWS WHEN SOMETHING IS WRONG, so if he chose to not disclose anything, that's wrong on his part.

This whole issue is a mess, I'd love Kaka to be healthy, but he's also brought this up upon himself. If he knew there was something wrong with his knee, IT WAS HIS DUTY to report it to the CLUB THAT PAYS HIM.

@Muna, your point about needing Kaka "IF" something happens to VDV or Canales doesn't do it for me. "IF" my mother had a mustache he would be my father. Just because something MIGHT happen doesn't mean it will happen. The FACT is that Kaka is injured right now, and I won't miss him a beat. We have two great players who will step up while he's away.

HALA MADRID!

Nor do you know that kaka will ever return to form and honestly Canales is less of a gamble than a kaka returning from surgery

Muna we didn't sell Sneijder to rely on Granero they don't even play the same position we sold him to rely on Kaka who blew big time but yes I stand by it selling sneijder was NOT a mistake just because he shined at inter doesn't mean he would done the same for us , the only mistake we made was selling Robben he was missed but not sneijder
And you don't know that Canales will have a deep in form

@ Brandon Currie, clearly you haven't been paying attention to this blog, we already know it doesn't make sense to sell him now that he's injured, thanks for the info, Captain Obvious

I remember at the begining of summer everyone was saying (fans & the club, even Mou) we need stability and dunwan too many transfer. however, uptil now we have got 4 new players. if we r looking to buy 1 or 2 defender, with possibly another striker, that will give us almost as many new players as last year.

Not a good sign to be honest. I am not asking for stability just for the sake of it and I believe Mou should have the players he need. but this is starting to worry me a little.

on selling player, i think Mou is waiitng to see if we can get a decent LB before selling Drenthe. pretty sure a midfielder will get sold as well, not expecting high fee thou, probaby a late sale.

James, i still think Kaka has the experience/quality that VDV can't give us.

Wow, what Kaka did was stupidly courageous. Real could use some of those qualities in the future.

FYI: selling an high-priced injured player after a poor season is a terrible business decision.

We don't need to be sure of Drenthe....He has already proven himself Useless and Hopeless. On kaka, I don't know but this is getting unbearable,even the most patient and tolerant person in the world would be frustated by these events...Anyway, I see him going the RVN way,Let's see if he gets back to top form after all these... I don't think our squad is too young, at least in the starting 11; Casillas, Alonso,Pepe,Ramos,VDV, are experienced enough and with likely signings Maicon and Cole the number shoots up to 7 and we have players to replace them as the years go.

WP, exactly. At this stage, we should hold on to the few experienced players we have left. And Cesar, looking at it from a business point of view does not do justice to the sitiuation because the sale of robben and snjeider were both for business purposes but see the end result. It's too much focus on business that has given real Madrid the dirty reputation it has today. Selling kaka will give the world the same perception of real Madrid beign a talent killer that takes advantage of good players then sells them during dark times.

And about selling players, I honestly think we should wait till the winter transfer before we let players go just to be sure of the ones we can count on.

Muna, completely agree with your points. especially after the lost of Raul & Guti, we need to retain experienced player in our team

I'm looking ast this from a business perspective, I have nothing against Kaka.

A lot of you guys are getting too excited. You want us to sell kaka because you think we can do without, well many of you are in for a very suprise because the guy that's going to replace him( van der vaart) is also an injury prone young lad. So at a certain stage next season, vdv will get injured then we'll have to depend on the young canales. Believe it or not but canales is going to have a bad spell for a huge part of this season especially in the champions league. He's too young so having a bad spell in his first season at a big club is only inevitable and normal( hopefully, he proves me wrong)
So when it begins to dawn on the team that we really don't have a lot of quality in that position, we'll find ourselves spending big money in the market for an experienced player or having to improvise with a player from a different position which we all know can never win us trophies.
I'm only saying this from experience. People get easily carried away by what is written on paper. True, on paper, we don't need kaka, but in reality, he is indispensable. This is exactly what happened with snjeider last season. Because he was always getting injured, and also because of our new signings, I personally felt he wasn't needed but we sold him and later on, we found ourselves having to depend on granero in big games.
To be honest, if we lose kaka, we'll be in for another frustrating season. And I'm sure that if he finally joins Chelsea , he'll do well.
And besides, it's not even a very good story to tell the world.
So always look ahead, canales is not yet completely ready for the big stage, at this point, he needs a mentor. Having to depend on him immediately might just be detrimental .

This may not be a concern to you guys but, we're beginning to look like Arsenal with a ronaldo . Too many young players.

As an avid lover of Kaka, I could be blinded by that love. But if we were optimistic about Pepe coming back strong from from a knee op that left him out longer than it will take Kaka,then I think we should also feel the same for Kaka. While he may not be like he was in his prime in Milan, he could still come back to something close to that. Take the case of R9, after much injury layoff he still performed incredibly well for us and his country. Let us get behind kaka for he will surely come good.
Just read in the mirror that Chelsea are resigned to letting Cole go once they get contrao. I like us to sell Drenthe, Lass, maybe loan out Granero.

I am gonna go against everyone this time and against the idea of selling him now. I agree that we can do without him at the moment but just think how much he can add to the team when he is back to fitness.
My main concern for our team now is that the team is too young. In CL games, hving someone with Kaka’s experience can make a lot of diff.
I was annoyed that he played throu pain in WC and probably won’t contribute much to the team this year while recovering. However, I can’t see any benefit of getting rid of him. Like wat most of you said, no one now is gonna pay a decent amount for him to cut our lost. He is not causing any prob in the dressing room now and he has a good relationship with CR. Yes, selling him will give us extra spot in the team which can be given to youth player, but I think there are other players we should consider selling 1st before kaka.
The impression kaka gives me is that he is a hardworking n humble guy, I really hope he work hard n bounce back, then he can make priceless contribution to us. I hope we give him at least 1 more year to prove himself, n I can’t see FP selling him now, it will send all the wrong msgs to the world. Also, if he is still in the team when the season start, I hope all RM fans will give him the support he needed.

i'm totally with Cesar on this matter, there is no point in waiting for a player that clearly wasn't happy joining us in the first place,he spent the whole past year saying how much he loves Milan,and he will always support them,and he never wanted to leave!! what kind of passion or dedication is expected from a player saying all this in his new club...
i see no point of keeping him,i think the latest injury is just what is needed to see the club play without him,so hopefully by next year he will be sold,and i don't even care if we sold him for 10 Millions only,cuz we are loosing money having him .
we need to sell a DM and the useless Drenthe,and get a LB ASAP

why not just nurture him to full fitness and let him prove until end of the year?

new coach, different gameplan. he's ought to prove himself yet at madrid. he has prove his class in milan and brazil so i'll trust him to come out good.

I hear America wants to get people more involved in Football and make it one of your top sports, although letting the people in grounds to watch the games would be a great start ;-)
http://www.mercurynews.com/bre...

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Is that Fifa 11 in America, as each contry has different people on their covers..

I do believe that last year when Perez took over and he wanted to get us back in the worlds attention, he signed Kaka without really checking his last season at Milan or if he was injuried, just purely because he had money and wanted to by the biggest names. ( which was different to his first reign in the fact that the fans expected him too this time) and since he promised Kaka he kinda had too.

thanxs corey for putting our thoughts into words but i think no one would pay for this mothertrucker!

The 'Injured One' will be on the cover of FIFA 11:

"With Kaka's visionary style of soccer he's always one step ahead of the opposition, moving into space with an often subtle change of pace and delivering crisp, creative one-touch passes and catching the goalkeepers off guard with strikes often from distance on either foot," Matt Bilbey, EA Sports' vice president of football, said in a statement.

One step ahead of the opposition? Maybe three years ago, but he has been off form for awhile now.

Kaka should be sold, the faster we realize it, the sooner we'll be able to get over his signing.

Cut the guy some slack? Why? He's earning millions of euros playing for our club, and to this point, very poorly.

He had some good spells last year, but for me, up to this moment, HE'S BEEN A HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT!!!!.

We don't need him to be successful this year, or next year. Clearly we weren't successful when he played for us last year!!!!

People in this forum know I'm a level guy, and I'm not the kind of fan who panics after every year, but this Kaka stuff has me really pissed off.

If the club knew that besides the groin injury, there was a problem with his knee, and even then they decided to buy him, well I'd say that his purchase was just the result of Florentino being an arrogant bastard, and not caring at all about the money spent and the fans of this club.

If Kaka knew he had a bad knee, why not take care of it? why not tell the club? and if he did, why did he press to play if he knew he was going to get injured sooner or later? That to me is dishonest on his part.

Anyways, HALA MADRID!!!

ugh!!!!!! hate this f&(**&) laptop, I wrote a very nice post, and now IT'S GONE!!!!!!!!!!

Financially may not be the best option to sell now since he has had a string of injuries its unlikely we would get a reasonable price. Might be better to pay him for the next 4 months - wait for him to get going again and then sell.

....besides even man city are probably not stupid enough to buy a player who is out for injury for 4 months

Andres don't feel bad for someone who's earning like 8 mill a year its not worth it.

i'm with Abhinhav, M and Maaz ( another 2 new people?), and still have my list in my head of the guys who doubt him for when his big return happens.

I do wish, if we are selling players, we do it SOON rather than wasting pre season games giving them time when Castilla players could get that time.

The ones who should be sold right away is Drenthe and a one of the DMs in fact make it a buy one get one for free type deal with the "free" part being Drenthe

As for Kaka I would give him one more season but that's only because I'm starting to feel bad for him not because I think we need him if you ask me we can do without him

Cut the guy some slack. I say give him a minimum of one more year. Let him go off, have his surgery/surgeries, recover from some of these injuries, and come back in January fit and ready to work.

And I disagree when you say that he won't work for it. He's got more reason now than he's ever had before. Time will tell, but let's put the cliched Madridista impatience away for the moment and give it at least one more season, shall we?

if we have to sell midfielders why not start with lass gago and diarra...
do u really believe canales can develop to a level required for CL in this season itself? so we have only vdv... and kaka is needed...
Football is business but business does'nt means buying at such a high price and selling at half.. believe me if we are bidding for gerrard at 30m when liverpool are not looking to sell no one is going to give more than that if we put him up for sale....
We have doctors in our medical team who can study the injury and tell us the gravity... if its recoverable lets wait if not .. no one is gonna buy... we are f'ed....

I dream of that situation too Zizou... think of how different our club's history would've been had your more illustrious namesake been sold if he'd picked up an injury early in his Real career.

Kaka didnt publicly beg for us to buy him like a lot of players out there. We made a huge offer and Milan sold. He didnt hide his injury... our medical team at Sanitas gave him the full look over in any case.

Keep (and support) Kaka, he's a model professional. He's not the Adriano / Robinho / Ronaldo partying type Brazilian... he takes good care of himself and will be in good shape till he's 32-33.

phew i didn't miss it, ok so this could be just what Kaka needs, picture this, the season is under way, everyone is getting into the season, and Mou has figured out his best 11. So when Kaka is fit, especially if we may have had a bad result the week before ( this is like a dream i know) then Kaka comes on with 10 mins to go and scores that will give him so much more of a lift, then say he was fit at the start and competing with everyone else. Now this is unlikey i know but you get what I mean by him now having the opportunitey to suprise everyone with a return.

Cesar that would be very decent of him to not take pay i agree.

1. No one will pay nearly what we spent
2. Kaka's ability hasnt deteriorated dramatically, he's just had a bad spell of injuries.
3. Only England players will prioritize club over country in a world cup year. How can you expect him to put his new club (1yr spent there) over the representing the country he grew up in? If he exhibited that kind of disloyalty I'd wonder about when he'd start being disloyal to us.

He can be a very useful addition to the squad, especially during the winter when the schedule is packed. By then he'd have (hopefully) worked himself back to full fitness. Don't sell him and let promising players around the world get the message that Real Madrid dont stand by their players during bad times.

Kaka a lot of ways has been very disrespectful to the club and very unprofessional and dishonest about his injuries Shame on him!

kaka is damaged goods up to this point but could be useful later in the Campaign but he needs to commit more to the club more.Drenthe No suprises for me still Rubbish Marcelo needs to play in Mid he's not a LB that's the only way I see him having any future in Madrid,Albiol is kind of overated but he has a good passing range Wished Puyol retired so he could take his place in the NT but Pique and Albiol are the same player in terms of style of play.Canales is the player Guti could have been he looks phenomenal!He doesn't look out of place with the squad.

Leon looks good reminds me of Michel,Lass needs to calm down he's getting to stuck in,I have faith in Gago and overtime he could be a Cambiasso type player,Some people need to stop flip flopping on Benzema he will come good eventually an assist aint bad and I still need to see more of Juanfran to be convinced. I still have no clue where Granero belongs in this team

Fuck i wanna join this debate but i have to go out!! i'll be back in a while.

Bassam well done for putting a review up in though you didn't see the game, very dedicated blogger :)

Alek, you're right, the price tag and the purchase are florentino's fault, but when you have a transfer fee that high, you expect returns, and I'm not talking in terms of revenue, I'm talking in concrete terms (goals, games played, assists, etc), but also in abstarct terms (commitment, desire, relationship with fans, etc). Kaka hasn't lived up to the expectations, and if I were him, I'd tell management: "You don't have to pay me anything until I'm back from injury". He says he's a man devoted to Christ, so let's see if humility and integrity are part of his makeup.

HALA MADRID!!!

Well, i dont know about his intentions about playing for Madrid. I highly doubt he hes bad intentions, just bad luck.
And dont blame him for the price, it was not Kaka who se the pricetag on himself.

I've been saying it for at least 3 weeks: WE HAVE TO SELL KAKA AND GET A DECENT LEFT BACK!!!

With this new injury, that window is closed for this season. Guti 2.0 everybody!!!!

And Corey is right, this is a knee problem, but what about his groin injury??? that's still up in the air

I don't hate the guy, quite the contrary, but football is a business, and if we're willing to let go of raul and Guti, who were homegrown players, then why the hell are we keeping Kaka? Just because of his transfer price? Because of his past acomplishments? I don't care what he did before he came to Madrid, what matters to me is what he does for my club, and so far I'm not impressed at all by what I've seen out of him.

Good thing we have Rafa and Canales, hopefully they'll have a monster season, and then we can sell Kaka next year.

HALA MADRID!

Kaka, get well soon, so we can sell you in good shape.

Cut the guy some slack and give him a season to prove himself ..

I don't blame a player for being excited about representing his country. I don't blame Gago for wanting playing time to prep for the WC (as long as he doesn't handle it the way Robinho did, scurrying to Santos).

But your point is great - when you sacrifice your club season for your country, and the club is the one that pays you, people will be upset.

Kaka has not showed the same emotion to Madrid the way he did to Milan, and you can clearly see that difference in the way the fans have treated him.

No one would be surprised if Kaka had a resurgence in Madrid, leading the way Zidane once did (they way we all expected him to). But I would rather not take my chances - send him to Carlo in Chelsea, for whatever you can.