Comments on: The Double Standard of English Football http://real.theoffside.com/editorialopinion/the-double-standard-of-english-football.html News from Real Madrid Spanish football team Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:35:59 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Corey http://real.theoffside.com/editorialopinion/the-double-standard-of-english-football.html#comment-6749 Corey Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:10:07 +0000 http://real.theoffside.com/editorialopinion/the-double-standard-of-english-football.html#comment-6749 Well we Real fans have the same feelings Gino, we see our academy products as some of the best in the world, and its often proven when they play in La Liga and are solid professionals. But they are often pushed out in favor of expensive imports or domestic revelations, which is not always the most financially sound thing to do but it is a very consistent and easy way to keep guarenteeing a certain degree of success. The game is globalized like most of the other sports in the US now, so an influx of foreigners shouldnt be a suprise. Its also valid to point out that to many clubs these days have the burden of fans who expect them to win every game and thus the tought of throwing a Dani Parejo or Alberto Bueno on to the field for any game becomes a huge risk. And that is to bad, but thats what the commercilization has done to the game. Well we Real fans have the same feelings Gino, we see our academy products as some of the best in the world, and its often proven when they play in La Liga and are solid professionals. But they are often pushed out in favor of expensive imports or domestic revelations, which is not always the most financially sound thing to do but it is a very consistent and easy way to keep guarenteeing a certain degree of success. The game is globalized like most of the other sports in the US now, so an influx of foreigners shouldnt be a suprise.

Its also valid to point out that to many clubs these days have the burden of fans who expect them to win every game and thus the tought of throwing a Dani Parejo or Alberto Bueno on to the field for any game becomes a huge risk. And that is to bad, but thats what the commercilization has done to the game.

]]> By: Gino http://real.theoffside.com/editorialopinion/the-double-standard-of-english-football.html#comment-6746 Gino Mon, 23 Jun 2008 04:08:37 +0000 http://real.theoffside.com/editorialopinion/the-double-standard-of-english-football.html#comment-6746 Thank you for the great editorial on the EPL. I'm a Liverpool fan, but don't agree with big clubs who have their own academies, yet they poach other clubs' kids. Now the defenders of these clubs always say it's legal, but you are the ones just hungry for more trophies to brag about, you don't care if the kid on the pitch is a United boy thru and thru. Danny Welbeck is the type of youth player you should want to see live the dream and make it to the 1st team, he's a Manchester boy, but with signings like Tevez and possibly other big names bandied about like Benzema, that kid may not get the chance to shine. Build from within England, show the world you actually have talented English lads. Thank you for the great editorial on the EPL. I’m a Liverpool fan, but don’t agree with big clubs who have their own academies, yet they poach other clubs’ kids. Now the defenders of these clubs always say it’s legal, but you are the ones just hungry for more trophies to brag about, you don’t care if the kid on the pitch is a United boy thru and thru. Danny Welbeck is the type of youth player you should want to see live the dream and make it to the 1st team, he’s a Manchester boy, but with signings like Tevez and possibly other big names bandied about like Benzema, that kid may not get the chance to shine. Build from within England, show the world you actually have talented English lads.

]]> By: Isaiah http://real.theoffside.com/editorialopinion/the-double-standard-of-english-football.html#comment-6742 Isaiah Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:31:22 +0000 http://real.theoffside.com/editorialopinion/the-double-standard-of-english-football.html#comment-6742 Also, I agree with Mat that, like Sport and El Mundo Deportivo for Barcelona, Marca and AS are the club's unofficial mouthpieces. I'd go so far as to say they're far less independent than Sport and EMD -- it's been proven in the past that Marca editors call the Bernabeu to make sure they run the proper stories (that was some time ago, to be honest, like in the late 80s, if memory serves) and I would be very, very surprised if all the remnants of that sort of thing were gone (and for the record I don't think there's a Marca-Bernabeu direct line, just that the paper listens to the club rather than actually getting involved in journalistic endeavors) Also, I agree with Mat that, like Sport and El Mundo Deportivo for Barcelona, Marca and AS are the club’s unofficial mouthpieces. I’d go so far as to say they’re far less independent than Sport and EMD — it’s been proven in the past that Marca editors call the Bernabeu to make sure they run the proper stories (that was some time ago, to be honest, like in the late 80s, if memory serves) and I would be very, very surprised if all the remnants of that sort of thing were gone (and for the record I don’t think there’s a Marca-Bernabeu direct line, just that the paper listens to the club rather than actually getting involved in journalistic endeavors)

]]> By: Isaiah http://real.theoffside.com/editorialopinion/the-double-standard-of-english-football.html#comment-6741 Isaiah Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:28:23 +0000 http://real.theoffside.com/editorialopinion/the-double-standard-of-english-football.html#comment-6741 I'm surprised no one mentioned Spanish law in this: the reason EPL teams are able to sign young Spanish players (Cesc Fabregas is the perfect example) is that it's legal for them to do so in England before they're 17 while it's not legal in Spain until they are 17. I don't know if this is true in the Petrucci case because I don't know about Italian sporting law, but I imagine it's more similar to Spain's than to England's. One way to solve most of these issues, including the Cronaldo case, is to disallow the buying and selling of contracts...I don't necessarily think that the American system is better, but there is almost never a case where a club can be said to be "tapping up" a player here. If Real wants Cronaldo, let them offer ManU a lot of money and then ManU can pout all they want about things being unfair because they're going to lose Cronaldo to a club willing to pay him more. Blah blah, what a bunch of bullshit. Transfer fees are hardly important to the financial stability of clubs like ManU, so they should just chill out, have a conversation with Cronaldo about how he's going to be staying put unless he wants to void his contract and end up owing the team a gazillion dollars and never being allowed to play in a FIFA-overseen competition again. Seems fairly simple, what with him being a professional athlete and all. Yet FIFA's rules allow for all this stupid crap to happen because there are no salary caps to keep rich clubs from dominating poor clubs and no transfer caps. And in the modern age, you have to accept an €50million+ offer or you're an idiot. So I blame FIFA for all this because they aren't willing to actually make laws that benefit the game and not the exG-14 clubs. I’m surprised no one mentioned Spanish law in this: the reason EPL teams are able to sign young Spanish players (Cesc Fabregas is the perfect example) is that it’s legal for them to do so in England before they’re 17 while it’s not legal in Spain until they are 17. I don’t know if this is true in the Petrucci case because I don’t know about Italian sporting law, but I imagine it’s more similar to Spain’s than to England’s.

One way to solve most of these issues, including the Cronaldo case, is to disallow the buying and selling of contracts…I don’t necessarily think that the American system is better, but there is almost never a case where a club can be said to be “tapping up” a player here.

If Real wants Cronaldo, let them offer ManU a lot of money and then ManU can pout all they want about things being unfair because they’re going to lose Cronaldo to a club willing to pay him more. Blah blah, what a bunch of bullshit. Transfer fees are hardly important to the financial stability of clubs like ManU, so they should just chill out, have a conversation with Cronaldo about how he’s going to be staying put unless he wants to void his contract and end up owing the team a gazillion dollars and never being allowed to play in a FIFA-overseen competition again. Seems fairly simple, what with him being a professional athlete and all. Yet FIFA’s rules allow for all this stupid crap to happen because there are no salary caps to keep rich clubs from dominating poor clubs and no transfer caps. And in the modern age, you have to accept an €50million+ offer or you’re an idiot.

So I blame FIFA for all this because they aren’t willing to actually make laws that benefit the game and not the exG-14 clubs.

]]> By: Corey http://real.theoffside.com/editorialopinion/the-double-standard-of-english-football.html#comment-6737 Corey Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:31:30 +0000 http://real.theoffside.com/editorialopinion/the-double-standard-of-english-football.html#comment-6737 Now that the tournament is over for Mr. Ronaldo, the speculation may finally be settled. Now that the tournament is over for Mr. Ronaldo, the speculation may finally be settled.

]]> By: Mat http://real.theoffside.com/editorialopinion/the-double-standard-of-english-football.html#comment-6736 Mat Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:03:22 +0000 http://real.theoffside.com/editorialopinion/the-double-standard-of-english-football.html#comment-6736 I am not defending ManUtd or Real here..both clubs are wrong...but to compare these two cases is like comparing apples and oranges..both are fruits but not the same one...Everyone knows that English clubs have an advantage over Spanish and Italian clubs because of the rules there...ManUtd are just using that fact...don't blame them ..blame UEFA or Europe laws...but in the Ronaldo matter you gotta admit Corey..Marca and AS are Real Madrid...I hope their main offices are not in the Bernabeau! ;) ..give Manchester 100 million pounds they'll take it ..as Manchester gave 30 million for Rooney (Nihit) ..end of story I am not defending ManUtd or Real here..both clubs are wrong…but to compare these two cases is like comparing apples and oranges..both are fruits but not the same one…Everyone knows that English clubs have an advantage over Spanish and Italian clubs because of the rules there…ManUtd are just using that fact…don’t blame them ..blame UEFA or Europe laws…but in the Ronaldo matter you gotta admit Corey..Marca and AS are Real Madrid…I hope their main offices are not in the Bernabeau! ;) ..give Manchester 100 million pounds they’ll take it ..as Manchester gave 30 million for Rooney (Nihit) ..end of story

]]> By: Corey http://real.theoffside.com/editorialopinion/the-double-standard-of-english-football.html#comment-6733 Corey Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:23:45 +0000 http://real.theoffside.com/editorialopinion/the-double-standard-of-english-football.html#comment-6733 thats where your wrong, Real did not release any media. Besides comments like "he is a good player but he is not for sale" or "I like him but I cant have him", there was nothing from Real. A bunch of true statements does not mean Real is trying to persuade Ronaldo to come here. Any "media blitz" you were told of by the British press to persuade Ronaldo to come to Spain was all drummed up by Marca, AS, Sport etc. for the sake of selling newspapers, while the British press drummed up the "illegalness" of the approach to sell newspapers. Its a vicious business but people must seperate clubs from unsubstantiated rumors. thats where your wrong, Real did not release any media. Besides comments like “he is a good player but he is not for sale” or “I like him but I cant have him”, there was nothing from Real. A bunch of true statements does not mean Real is trying to persuade Ronaldo to come here. Any “media blitz” you were told of by the British press to persuade Ronaldo to come to Spain was all drummed up by Marca, AS, Sport etc. for the sake of selling newspapers, while the British press drummed up the “illegalness” of the approach to sell newspapers. Its a vicious business but people must seperate clubs from unsubstantiated rumors.

]]> By: Elisa http://real.theoffside.com/editorialopinion/the-double-standard-of-english-football.html#comment-6732 Elisa Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:54:03 +0000 http://real.theoffside.com/editorialopinion/the-double-standard-of-english-football.html#comment-6732 Look this happens all the time. ManU is no saint with Hargreaves, Jaap Stam and RVN to name a few. There are guidelines in Italy and Spain about professional contracts and what can be offered. I hope UEFA modifies the rules and makes it a more even playing field so that the youth are not stolen by the clubs with more money. I feel sorry for the kid, cuz I don't think he will get a chance at United. If he would have stayed at Roma, he would have had more of a chance. But that's football. Look this happens all the time. ManU is no saint with Hargreaves, Jaap Stam and RVN to name a few. There are guidelines in Italy and Spain about professional contracts and what can be offered. I hope UEFA modifies the rules and makes it a more even playing field so that the youth are not stolen by the clubs with more money. I feel sorry for the kid, cuz I don’t think he will get a chance at United. If he would have stayed at Roma, he would have had more of a chance. But that’s football.

]]> By: steven http://real.theoffside.com/editorialopinion/the-double-standard-of-english-football.html#comment-6731 steven Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:40:53 +0000 http://real.theoffside.com/editorialopinion/the-double-standard-of-english-football.html#comment-6731 Well put Nihit. They do the exact same thing in stealing players from other "smaller clubs" but when it comes to one of their own they get all up in arms about it and call it "under-hand tactics" Well put Nihit. They do the exact same thing in stealing players from other “smaller clubs” but when it comes to one of their own they get all up in arms about it and call it “under-hand tactics”

]]> By: nobobomo http://real.theoffside.com/editorialopinion/the-double-standard-of-english-football.html#comment-6730 nobobomo Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:09:10 +0000 http://real.theoffside.com/editorialopinion/the-double-standard-of-english-football.html#comment-6730 If United has done all that then fair play to you guys, but it's still not the same. Honestly if United waited until they could outspend Roma for his professional signature, they would just give a titanic contract so big that his dad wouldn't have to work period, let alone get a groundskeeper job for United. I think that gets filed under "it is the way of the big European club" doesn't it? Regardless, Petrucci got offered some terms, then accepted them. United got a bid from Real for Ronaldo, and said "No". Then Real unleashed a constant stream of media aimed at unsettling him until we got to where we are now. See the difference? If United has done all that then fair play to you guys, but it’s still not the same. Honestly if United waited until they could outspend Roma for his professional signature, they would just give a titanic contract so big that his dad wouldn’t have to work period, let alone get a groundskeeper job for United. I think that gets filed under “it is the way of the big European club” doesn’t it?

Regardless, Petrucci got offered some terms, then accepted them. United got a bid from Real for Ronaldo, and said “No”. Then Real unleashed a constant stream of media aimed at unsettling him until we got to where we are now. See the difference?

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