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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://real.theoffside.com/team-news/real-scores-three-goals-concedes-none.html#comment-9194</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW.  Great discussions guys.  So much to touch upon since I haven&#039;t had time to check the site in the last few days.  Working backwards...

1. Brian, totally agree about the Spanish contingent.  We need to remember that UEFA put in the homegrown factor for the Champions League.  However, the way Humpty and Dumpty (love it!) conduct their business, I&#039;d hardly be surprised if, for example, Valencia slapped a price tag on David Silva or Villa that is near to that for CRon!

2. Cesar, I would not in a million years classify Roberto Carlos as a great crosser of the ball.  He was average at best.  His cannon of a left foot was wildly inaccurate - didn&#039;t it seem like only 10% of his free kicks even hit the target?  He was small but ridiculously fast, and his defensive positioning was pretty good when he wasn&#039;t caught upfield.  Drenthe needs to learn to become merely an average crosser (because he&#039;s about 1 in 7-8 right now) and pick his spots when to attack.  Unfortunately easier said than done.

3. Clichy is about equal to Evra on skill level, but he has a major advantage in age.  Unfortunately, I don&#039;t see Wenger ever selling him, unless he forces his way out.

4. The talk about a crowded midfield assumes that there&#039;s an ideal XI for every match, but let&#039;s face it, between La Liga and Champions League, and maybe the Copa, that&#039;s a lot of matches, and we certainly can&#039;t rely on everyone to stay healthy.  IMHO, we&#039;d only play one DM, but one with distributional skills.  I haven&#039;t seen Lass pass the ball enough to tell if that&#039;s him, but it&#039;s def not Mahamadou and I don&#039;t think Gago is the defensive steel this team requires.  Playing Capello&#039;s double pivot usually means unbalancing the attack by taking away a winger, because you can&#039;t distribute from so far back and we have to play 2 strikers because Raul has to be on the pitch.  Otherwise, we could go with a single striker, who has to be a frontman capable of holding up the ball, or playing the wingers further up the pitch for support in a 4-3-3.  Either way, I don&#039;t see how Higuain gets to start, because he&#039;s not a central attacking midfielder, he&#039;s not the frontman, and he&#039;s only average on the wing.

5. I&#039;m not sure playing Sneijder withdrawn in the midfield is such a bad idea.  Think about another short-ish central midfielder with a high work rate and a booming shot - Paul Scholes!  Ok, they&#039;re not the same, but at least Wesley knows how to tackle.

6. Finally, I would give anything to see Ribery at Madrid over CRon.  I think CRon is a great player (you don&#039;t score 42 goals by chance), but he&#039;s a little prima donna twat, and I hate the way he kinda hunches over when he&#039;s waiting to take a free kick.  Just ugly body language.  As opposed to straight up ugly like Ribery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW.  Great discussions guys.  So much to touch upon since I haven&#8217;t had time to check the site in the last few days.  Working backwards&#8230;</p>
<p>1. Brian, totally agree about the Spanish contingent.  We need to remember that UEFA put in the homegrown factor for the Champions League.  However, the way Humpty and Dumpty (love it!) conduct their business, I&#8217;d hardly be surprised if, for example, Valencia slapped a price tag on David Silva or Villa that is near to that for CRon!</p>
<p>2. Cesar, I would not in a million years classify Roberto Carlos as a great crosser of the ball.  He was average at best.  His cannon of a left foot was wildly inaccurate &#8211; didn&#8217;t it seem like only 10% of his free kicks even hit the target?  He was small but ridiculously fast, and his defensive positioning was pretty good when he wasn&#8217;t caught upfield.  Drenthe needs to learn to become merely an average crosser (because he&#8217;s about 1 in 7-8 right now) and pick his spots when to attack.  Unfortunately easier said than done.</p>
<p>3. Clichy is about equal to Evra on skill level, but he has a major advantage in age.  Unfortunately, I don&#8217;t see Wenger ever selling him, unless he forces his way out.</p>
<p>4. The talk about a crowded midfield assumes that there&#8217;s an ideal XI for every match, but let&#8217;s face it, between La Liga and Champions League, and maybe the Copa, that&#8217;s a lot of matches, and we certainly can&#8217;t rely on everyone to stay healthy.  IMHO, we&#8217;d only play one DM, but one with distributional skills.  I haven&#8217;t seen Lass pass the ball enough to tell if that&#8217;s him, but it&#8217;s def not Mahamadou and I don&#8217;t think Gago is the defensive steel this team requires.  Playing Capello&#8217;s double pivot usually means unbalancing the attack by taking away a winger, because you can&#8217;t distribute from so far back and we have to play 2 strikers because Raul has to be on the pitch.  Otherwise, we could go with a single striker, who has to be a frontman capable of holding up the ball, or playing the wingers further up the pitch for support in a 4-3-3.  Either way, I don&#8217;t see how Higuain gets to start, because he&#8217;s not a central attacking midfielder, he&#8217;s not the frontman, and he&#8217;s only average on the wing.</p>
<p>5. I&#8217;m not sure playing Sneijder withdrawn in the midfield is such a bad idea.  Think about another short-ish central midfielder with a high work rate and a booming shot &#8211; Paul Scholes!  Ok, they&#8217;re not the same, but at least Wesley knows how to tackle.</p>
<p>6. Finally, I would give anything to see Ribery at Madrid over CRon.  I think CRon is a great player (you don&#8217;t score 42 goals by chance), but he&#8217;s a little prima donna twat, and I hate the way he kinda hunches over when he&#8217;s waiting to take a free kick.  Just ugly body language.  As opposed to straight up ugly like Ribery.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No I&#039;d prefer a Spaniard for the left back position, and from the cantera. If you think about it, counting in all te potential and possible future transfers e.g. Ribery, Benzema, how many Spanish players will there be in the line-up. Casillas, Sergio Ramos...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No I&#8217;d prefer a Spaniard for the left back position, and from the cantera. If you think about it, counting in all te potential and possible future transfers e.g. Ribery, Benzema, how many Spanish players will there be in the line-up. Casillas, Sergio Ramos&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cesar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cesar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would also like to see Sergio Ramos as a right winger, he&#039;s very skilled, creative, and offensive minded (w he was a striker for many years). If that ever happens, I&#039;d put Torres as a RB, he&#039;s the only good option for that spot...., Nah, I&#039;m just daydreaming...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also like to see Sergio Ramos as a right winger, he&#8217;s very skilled, creative, and offensive minded (w he was a striker for many years). If that ever happens, I&#8217;d put Torres as a RB, he&#8217;s the only good option for that spot&#8230;., Nah, I&#8217;m just daydreaming&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cesar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cesar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nihit,

What you said would be great, if only drenthe would understand the value and advantage of being a top notch LB, they don&#039;t come easily (Roberto Carlos and Maldini are the last great ones), so if Juande convinces him, I agree he has all the tools to be roberto carlos 2.0, he has the pace, power, great shot, and he only needs to work on his crossings, and learn fron the expreinced defenders we have about positioning and anticipation, I think he&#039;d be great as a left back</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nihit,</p>
<p>What you said would be great, if only drenthe would understand the value and advantage of being a top notch LB, they don&#8217;t come easily (Roberto Carlos and Maldini are the last great ones), so if Juande convinces him, I agree he has all the tools to be roberto carlos 2.0, he has the pace, power, great shot, and he only needs to work on his crossings, and learn fron the expreinced defenders we have about positioning and anticipation, I think he&#8217;d be great as a left back</p>
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		<title>By: Nihit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nihit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 06:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>somehow, i just want to see Drenthe being groomed for the left back position. He&#039;s got the stamina, the pace, the power and the determination. All he needs is to improve his crossing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>somehow, i just want to see Drenthe being groomed for the left back position. He&#8217;s got the stamina, the pace, the power and the determination. All he needs is to improve his crossing.</p>
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		<title>By: Julien G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julien G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 03:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Patrice is exceedingly overrated, I prefer Clichy to him on the international level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Patrice is exceedingly overrated, I prefer Clichy to him on the international level.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny - though I didn&#039;t post it, my first choice for an incoming Left back would be Patrice Evra. Can you imagine Clown nose&#039;s temper tantrum if that were to go through?

I found myself rooting for Chelsea for the first time in my life this last weekend, and it was entirely because of the nonsense that Ferguson&#039;s been spewing lately. He pisses me off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny &#8211; though I didn&#8217;t post it, my first choice for an incoming Left back would be Patrice Evra. Can you imagine Clown nose&#8217;s temper tantrum if that were to go through?</p>
<p>I found myself rooting for Chelsea for the first time in my life this last weekend, and it was entirely because of the nonsense that Ferguson&#8217;s been spewing lately. He pisses me off.</p>
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		<title>By: Corey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very valid point real rock. We must not forget that if all goes well, we will have De la Red back next year as well, which means the midfield is very crowded indeed. But Lass next De la Red for me is a perfect midfield combination, balancing a little bit of everything. Gago is not as creative as Ruben, but Gago and Ruben together also makes sense. Although I have been an ardent supporter of Mamadou Diarra, even during the early days, I feel he is the man out, along with Javi Garcia and Van der Vaart. Sneijder fills the creative left side with Guti his replacement, so technically if you look to have 2 players at every position, you have a duel between Javi Garcia, VdV and Diarra for the final midfield berth. Who ever wins will end up making the midfield either defensively or offensively lop-sided, but then again thats not so bad. 

But we must focus on this year, even though we have lost three of our best players, we have a competitive squad still and the Gago-Lass pairing seems to work well in away games, but I would like to see Guti at home frequently, or in away games playing instead of Sneijder, who is not as much of a creator in a double pivot system as Guti could be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very valid point real rock. We must not forget that if all goes well, we will have De la Red back next year as well, which means the midfield is very crowded indeed. But Lass next De la Red for me is a perfect midfield combination, balancing a little bit of everything. Gago is not as creative as Ruben, but Gago and Ruben together also makes sense. Although I have been an ardent supporter of Mamadou Diarra, even during the early days, I feel he is the man out, along with Javi Garcia and Van der Vaart. Sneijder fills the creative left side with Guti his replacement, so technically if you look to have 2 players at every position, you have a duel between Javi Garcia, VdV and Diarra for the final midfield berth. Who ever wins will end up making the midfield either defensively or offensively lop-sided, but then again thats not so bad. </p>
<p>But we must focus on this year, even though we have lost three of our best players, we have a competitive squad still and the Gago-Lass pairing seems to work well in away games, but I would like to see Guti at home frequently, or in away games playing instead of Sneijder, who is not as much of a creator in a double pivot system as Guti could be.</p>
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		<title>By: realrock</title>
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		<dc:creator>realrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i would agree with john on point 4. a combined gago-lass midfield is good. and i don&#039;t think they are short on creativity. check gago&#039;s ball for the goal.reminds me of makelele and conceicao.we would still need the zidane of the group though. from the players currently around europe, its marek hamsik who fits the bill the most. but then again we are already overflowing with medios and i am not ready to count out de la red.

and while everyone is talking about ribery , why not go for david silva. that guy is good too. personally ,i would prefer ribery or silva to bringing in a player who would think himself bigger than the club and the team.

and next year is ruud&#039;s last year. i don&#039;t think he is going to sign for another club. with his history of injuries, i would think that he won&#039;t play beyond the ripe old age of 34 and some. highly unlikely. same unlikeliness for a benzema move as well. think he is gonna stay in aulas&#039; clutches until 2010.

and we need a lb desperately. i would love fabio da silva. completely unprobable and will cause whiskey-nose to explode. lol. more than cr7 being sold , i can bet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i would agree with john on point 4. a combined gago-lass midfield is good. and i don&#8217;t think they are short on creativity. check gago&#8217;s ball for the goal.reminds me of makelele and conceicao.we would still need the zidane of the group though. from the players currently around europe, its marek hamsik who fits the bill the most. but then again we are already overflowing with medios and i am not ready to count out de la red.</p>
<p>and while everyone is talking about ribery , why not go for david silva. that guy is good too. personally ,i would prefer ribery or silva to bringing in a player who would think himself bigger than the club and the team.</p>
<p>and next year is ruud&#8217;s last year. i don&#8217;t think he is going to sign for another club. with his history of injuries, i would think that he won&#8217;t play beyond the ripe old age of 34 and some. highly unlikely. same unlikeliness for a benzema move as well. think he is gonna stay in aulas&#8217; clutches until 2010.</p>
<p>and we need a lb desperately. i would love fabio da silva. completely unprobable and will cause whiskey-nose to explode. lol. more than cr7 being sold , i can bet.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Ribery v. CRonaldo - At a transfer fee of around 50 - 60 mil. it&#039;s more than tempting, but as a fan I just don&#039;t like him, and I think he&#039;s overrated. He had the season of his life last year, and I don&#039;t think he&#039;ll ever repeat it. I&#039;m still siding with Ribery (the team mentality and versatility he offers are very important, I feel).

2. The striker situation is confusing. I&#039;ve been saying for a while that Benzema should be our #1 target, and that he could be the face of a new improved Madrid. I think that it would create a lot of competition for the forward positions, but if the pool was Raul, Higuain, Huntelaar and Benzema, I could see a lot of combinations working well, even Higs and Benzema. But Benzema, Huntelaar and Ruud all on one squad would just be too much - one of them would have to go. And though I like Ruud better, far better, than Huntelaar, considering his age he might be a good option to try to bring in some transfer money. I guess I&#039;d accept that.

3. I consider Marcelo, Saviola and Van der Vaart (VdV conditionally - see my above comment) all viable transfer fodder. I&#039;d prefer a loan for Garcia, and I wouldn&#039;t mind Drenthe to stick around - I still think he&#039;ll improve, and we need to keep depth in mind. I&#039;d love for Chema Anton to get a chance, but since he hasn&#039;t, I wonder what Juande is seeing. Palanca stays, if Calderon has any brain cells left.

4. A dual Diarra midfield - it could win games, but I don&#039;t like it, primarily because it lacks a creative midfielder, something I consider vital to the Spanish game. You might argue that neither Gago nor Lass are very creative, but their combined creative talents and vision make up for it. So it&#039;s a question of style for me.

6. I really think Cannavaro should stay. I have a lot of faith in Garay, but Cannavaro is to important to let go, due to his experience, organizing skills, and confidence. And again, depth should always be considered, and I like a pool of Canna, Pepe, Garay, Metzelder and Ramos (if needed) to choose from in the center back position.

6. Is everyone giving up on Guti? I&#039;m certainly not. 

Awesome comments/discussion from everyone. Hala Madrid!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Ribery v. CRonaldo &#8211; At a transfer fee of around 50 &#8211; 60 mil. it&#8217;s more than tempting, but as a fan I just don&#8217;t like him, and I think he&#8217;s overrated. He had the season of his life last year, and I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;ll ever repeat it. I&#8217;m still siding with Ribery (the team mentality and versatility he offers are very important, I feel).</p>
<p>2. The striker situation is confusing. I&#8217;ve been saying for a while that Benzema should be our #1 target, and that he could be the face of a new improved Madrid. I think that it would create a lot of competition for the forward positions, but if the pool was Raul, Higuain, Huntelaar and Benzema, I could see a lot of combinations working well, even Higs and Benzema. But Benzema, Huntelaar and Ruud all on one squad would just be too much &#8211; one of them would have to go. And though I like Ruud better, far better, than Huntelaar, considering his age he might be a good option to try to bring in some transfer money. I guess I&#8217;d accept that.</p>
<p>3. I consider Marcelo, Saviola and Van der Vaart (VdV conditionally &#8211; see my above comment) all viable transfer fodder. I&#8217;d prefer a loan for Garcia, and I wouldn&#8217;t mind Drenthe to stick around &#8211; I still think he&#8217;ll improve, and we need to keep depth in mind. I&#8217;d love for Chema Anton to get a chance, but since he hasn&#8217;t, I wonder what Juande is seeing. Palanca stays, if Calderon has any brain cells left.</p>
<p>4. A dual Diarra midfield &#8211; it could win games, but I don&#8217;t like it, primarily because it lacks a creative midfielder, something I consider vital to the Spanish game. You might argue that neither Gago nor Lass are very creative, but their combined creative talents and vision make up for it. So it&#8217;s a question of style for me.</p>
<p>6. I really think Cannavaro should stay. I have a lot of faith in Garay, but Cannavaro is to important to let go, due to his experience, organizing skills, and confidence. And again, depth should always be considered, and I like a pool of Canna, Pepe, Garay, Metzelder and Ramos (if needed) to choose from in the center back position.</p>
<p>6. Is everyone giving up on Guti? I&#8217;m certainly not. </p>
<p>Awesome comments/discussion from everyone. Hala Madrid!</p>
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