Robinho to Chelsea?
By: Corey | July 2nd, 2008
My RSS Feed was over-active yesterday with news linking Robinho to Chelsea. Of course I dismissed it as the usual offseason trasnfer gossip, and that the Chelsea rumors had appeared before but they never came to anything. But when I loaded up my Firefox last night I saw the headline Robinho Close to Chelsea on soccernet and I immediately looked at the story. What I read was astonishingly arrogant and self fullfilling comments from Robinho’s agent, who might just have as big an ego as Robinho does.
Robinho’s agent, Ribiero Wagner, claimed that Robinho was upset in being a make weight for any possible Cristiano Ronaldo deal. Because of this so-called slap in the face, Robinho’s agent was shopping his client around to the club who will pay him the most. And this is because “Robinho is as good if not better then Ronaldo”. Hmmm, okay. Arrogance, check. Self image problems, check. Over Inflated Ego, check. Lack of Common Sense when reading the papers, check. Greed, check. What a fantastic story then!
Here is the problem Robinho. Real have not included you in any deals, because no deal has even been discussed with Manchester United. What you read in the papers (or websites) is 98% false, manufactured to get people to read it. Because the average dumb human loves the sensationalist news more then anything. Why do you think CNN, NBC, Fox News and the like are so widely viewed in the US? Because they bring sensationalist coverage of everyday events and focus on the negativity of the world in order to keep the viewer hooked. Its no different with the football world.
So while Mr. Wagner looks into getting his client a bumper pay deal from Real for a stop-and-start season from Robinho, he might as well throw in the interest and possible transfer offer from Chelsea and their obviously ‘better’ contract terms so that Real will panic and give him the amount of money he wants but really doesnt deserve yet. So while he provides a great spark for us from time to time, if we added Ronaldo then Robinho could feel free to leave. But I dont think Ronaldo will be coming our way, so Robinho should sit tight, tell his agent to keep quite and to have a good season where he is consistent for more then 3-4 months if he wants a better contract.
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Little Less Thumb Sucking And Whining About Contracts, A Little More Hard Work
Rant finished. Your thoughts?
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robinho was the reason for alot of madrid’s success last year…during a stretch of the season, Madrid were a different team without him on the field… he was a their spark plug, creating chances, scoring goals, and jsut being an all around terror to opposing defenses..
so even though he didnt get anywhere close to the amount of goals scored by cristiano last season, he was still a very productive player, and still is.. so its not that far of a stretch to put them in the same breath. And i tell you what, if Cristiano does end up landing in Madrid, they might actually become a worse team… that certainly will mean Robinho and another attacking player (sneidjer?) will be on the bench or off to another club. Personally all things considered, id probably take Robinho over Cristiano.
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Hawk- I dont care what you do, just no Barca praising. Im not your enemy, you dont even know me.
Bobby- I prefer to keep Robinho over signing Ronaldo, I guess I was not clear enough on that. What I dont like is that Robinho’s agent is an extension of himself, the outrageous demands and claims he makes reflect on Robinho. Robinho is not as good as Ronaldo based on last years form, and Robinho has been a waste of life in the matches he has played for Brazil this summer. He could be great for us next season and that is more than welcomed. All I am saying is if you have such lofty demands, you must meet such lofty expectations.
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EPL teams have bad defense?! OK some of them maybe (I’m thinking newcastle, sunderland, and spurs pre-ramos) but overall the standard must at least be on a par with the average spanish defence. But look at the standard of goalkeeping. Almost every team has at least one outstanding keeper. Ronaldo would tear la liga apart. Not to mention the italian league, defence there is just a joke. So disorganised. All it takes is an average through ball and you have a goal in serie A.
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martin, have you ever watched Serie A or La Liga? If so, when? I assume your comment that every team has a good goal keeper must mean La Liga, because the EPL’s goalkeepers are down right terrible, English or foreign. Or is it more indicative of the EPL that the best keeper in the league is indeed Spanish, but just barely makes the Spanish national team?
A decent through pass is all you need in Serie A? Is that not true of all football? You need more concrete examples of why Ronaldo has been seriously challenged in the EPL vs. another European league.
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Hawk - if you read this page more often (and you’re welcome to, and encouraged to leave your comments; I’m a regular over at the barca page) you’d know that the majority of readers here aren’t too keen on a Ronaldo transfer. I happen to agree with you (and thus disagree with martin) that Spanish defenses will cause a revaluation of Ronaldo’s ‘best in the world’ title.
But yeah, I’m really opposed to Robinho leaving, especially with little mister brittle legs breaking down again. We have Drenthe (and I know, Corey, you favor him as a wing back, but I still think he’d excell as a left winger if given time) but I favor Robinho. That said, his attitude has always been an issue, and this latest stint just makes him look worse. Very disapointing.
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Corey, I want Robinho to stay. That overpampered, underachieving Diva can stay at United. But who knows what Calderon’s motive - replacing Beckham’s merch sale? Nos vemos, eh?
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Like it or not, merchandising sales keep a club healthy financially and the game is all about money these days. I, as a businessman, completely understand the need for teams to sell shirts and tickets to stay profitable, or atleast afloat. Calderon knows that the marketing arm of the lcub that Florentino Perez instituted is a beast and should be used, but in this case, Calderon may realize he must not intefere with the teams make-up, something Perez did often to a detriment, but something Calderon tries to avoid as much as possible as he has seen the harm it has done.
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“Hmmm, okay. Arrogance, check. Self image problems, check. Over Inflated Ego, check. Lack of Common Sense when reading the papers, check. Greed, check. What a fantastic story then!”
sounds like robinho has been taking his personality cues from calderon and the rest of the scum round those parts.
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Man, I hope you’re the same guy (matt) that made that comment a while back about Madrid’s lack of youth development (mat). If so, you should take up the monicker ‘mis-informed barca fan.’ Because Barcelona’s dressing room and front office have been completely devoid of arrogance (Laporta, Eto’o), self image problems (dos Santos) over inflated egos (Eto’o, Ronaldinho, Deco) greed (again: Eto’o, Ronaldinho). And those in parenthesis are just the stand outs. If you’re not, and not a barcalona fan either, than sorry about the rant. But in the end, you’re entitled to your own opinion, and not required to back it up in any way.
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Cech, Van der Sar, James, Given, Reina, Jaskkeleinen, Friedel, Issakson are all great keepers; plus you’ve got Hart, Foster, Gordon, (and maybe Green) who are all amazing for their age. Finally Lehmann, Almunia, Kuzsack, Howard, Niemi are all very respectable keepers.
Yes I watch 1 / 2 matches from la liga most weeks, and serie A when I can. OK casillas is probably the best in the world except maybe buffon. And valdes is pretty good. But apart from that…
And there is no way Reina is the best keeper in the premier league.
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Martin - some of the best keepers in the world are in La Liga and Serie A. (Diego Lopez, Moya, Toño, Palop, Ricardo, Auoate, Pato, Frey, Julio Cesar, Doni, Abbiati, De Sanctis) As well as the best attack and defense in Europe. Maybe a lot of the names are not as famous or marketed to the English language audience. In addition, the game is about tactics and technique, as well as speed. Rather than the ball in the air, physique and power. It is a different game. Any player coming to these two leagues will not find it easy and need a year to transition.
Poor Van der Sar, Cech, and Lehman didn’t have the greatest Euro tournaments.
BTW - Pepe Reina has had the most shutouts and best stats in the Prem each year, since he has started.
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Robinho was Real Madrid’s most complete player last year(only Ruud & Raul had more goals & only Guti had more assists). Robinho was also the only player on Madrid to dominate entire games(Olympiakos,Villareal,Valencia,Mallorca etc.) not to mention when he came back too early from injury to save our season(which aggravated the injury and cost him late in the season) and score 2 outstanding goals against Recreativo Huelva when Barca and Villareal were breathing down our necks. His only crime was getting injured before a crucial Champions League match and being one of Florentino Perez’s boys. I don’t think its a coincidence that Ramos(the other Perez kid) is also unsettled and even complained about lack of support as well. The difference is that Ramos is from Spain so the press overlook his petulance. Robinho outscored Messi this past year, and did something in last summer’s COPA AMERICA that C.Ronaldo, Messi and Kaka have yet to do = put the whole national team on your back and win a major trophy. Did C.Ronaldo have a better season than Robinho last year? definitely. Are Real Madrid caught up in the hype enough to waste millions? definitely. Will they regret it in next years Champions League when C.Ronaldo misses another crucial penalty(vs. both BARCA & CHELSEA) with the game on the line and Madrid exits early? definitely. Kaka, Messi and C.Ronaldo have all played for the same coach(Ancelotti,Rikjaard,Ferguson) and system for 3 years while in 3 years Robinho has played for 4 different coaches with vastly different systems in 3 years(Luxemburgo,Lopez Caro,Capello,Schuster). Maybe I’m making excuses or maybe Robinho is getting a raw deal, either way Hala Madrid and Hala wherever Robinho ends up because they will temporarily become my second favorite team while he’s there.
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john: no i’m not that guy. just bitter man united guy.
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estoverao- you make very good points, except the penalty one. Robinho never takes penalties and Ronaldo never would either. Ruud, Raul, and Sneijder have those honors. But the rest makes sense, especially the coaching bit. My frustration simply stems from the fact that he has angled for a better contract when at times his commitment has been poor. His play has usualy been more than acceptable, but you will never win over fans when your agent declares you are one of the besti n the world and desevre more money. That just is not right.
Matt- bitter barca guy or man u guy, your rant about Madrid’s infrastucture being scum is not appreciated. I find it highly hypocritical that Manchester United fans accuse Real of being dishonest in their transfer dealings when MU has a long rap list of devious deeds concerning transfers.
Martin- I am afraid you are just plain wrong. As Elisa pointed out, Reina has statistically been the best keeper in the EPLsince he joined Liverpool. The names you have listed are all 1. Foreign keepers besides James and/or 2. Past their prime in the case of Jaskelinan, James, Van der Sar, Friedel, Given and/or 3. The English keepers you named are all pretty poor, which is evident of Englands lack of international presence these days and/or 4. Niemi is garbage, likewise Robert Green, as are Lehmann and Almunia. I think Howard, Cech and Foster are the only good keepers in the EPL right now.
As for La Liga keepers, Casillas, Palop, Valdes, Canizares (retired now), Asenjo, Kameni, Cesar, Diego Lopez, Seb Viera, Calatayud, Aouate, Lux, Moya, Sorrentino, Ricardo and Pato are all standouts for Spain. Asenjo, Moya, and Kameni are all outstanding young prospects, while Palop, Cesar, Sorrentino and Pato are all highly experience shot stoppers. Casillas, Valdes, Diego Lopez, Auoate, Lux, Ricardo and Viera are all international players who are in their prime. If you were to compare starting keepers of the EPL with La Liga, it would go down in La Liga’s favor.
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Fine I’m wrong, I can’t be arsed with this.
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corey: maybe if you can’t take a little criticism you shouldn’t be blogging…and it’s not like it was that biting really dude i just c/p’ed what you yourself said about robinho..you need to lighten up…i know for damn sure that man united aren’t saints but in my book real madrid takes the cake when it comes to what’s wrong w/ football. sorry dude…not gonna change my mind.
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Don’t worry guys, no Barca praising on this blog by my part. I didn’t know many fans didn’t want Ronaldo… Why is that?
And Corey I meant enemy as rival. I massively enjoy El Classico even when Barca loses (which they have been doing a lot lately…). In my opinion Real is getting too caught up in the “Ronaldo is the best player in the world thing” and they are forgetting amazing players like Robinho. Also, what makes you (Real Madrid bosses) think that Ronaldo won’t do the same thing to you as he did to Man U whenever he feels like leaving.
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Martin- You are dead wrong. EPL has bad defence.
There are many reasons.
One is that the left and right defenders are more like wingers to support the attack and during set pieces the CBs come for headers leaving midfielders or strikers as defenders and open to a counter attack. La Liga and Series A have the best defense and GKing. Casillas, Buffon, Doni (sometimes), Palop, Valdes (when he dosn’t cut his hair), list goes on and on. The defenders: Ramos, Puyol, Cannavaro, Nesta, Zambrotta, Alves, Abidal, Pepe, Materazzi (when he feels like it and isn’t suspended), Juan, Mexes…. too many to write.
In the EPL, ok the top 4 teams have a good defense. What about the rest of the 20 or so teams? Ok, Portsmouth have Cambell. Thats one. The rest of the teams get dismantled by the likes of Torres, Drogba, Adebayore, Ronaldo. Thats why we are saying that if any of them come to Spain they won’t score nearly as much. Did Torres score that much at Atletico? NO.Posted from
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EPL has 4 strong teams and 16 weak teams. Do you ever see anyone but Liverpool Arsenal Chelsea Man U at the top? No.
In La Liga it is always changing. Villareal got second!
In the Series A Roma (a team with no BIG names exept Totti) was second and Florentina was 4th while Milan (a strong team FYI) was 5th. Always changing always competition. EPL top 4 are always in the CL but the rest of the leagues fight for it.Posted from
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matt - sorry about that; case of mistaken identity. And despite the fact that I agree with Corey in the ManU/Madrid = Pot/Kettle argument, if I were a United fan I’d be a bit bitter about los blancos too. But considering what estoverao so poignently laid forth, I’m not sure United wouldn’t be getting a HELL of a deal, especially with the bath tub full of cash that would most likely be included in the swap. I hope Madrid decides better than to go through with it. But then again, as Corey pointed out, they’d sell a hell of a lot of jerseys.
One question I still haven’t figured out. If Ronaldo does come to Madrid, what number will he wear? 9? He’s not really a number 9, though.
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matt- I blog because I like to write about my favorite team, not so I can get snipped by people. The way I look at it, if you want to criticize my opinions, why is it that I should sit their silently and take it? If people can dish it out they better sure be able to take it.
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estoverao - well stated and I couldn’t agree with you more. The politics, money and power is intense at Madrid. It’s funny how La Furia did so well this year with only 2 Madridistas. That said, never a dull minute and gotta love them for their constant fight to be the biggest and best club in the World. Hala Madrid.
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Elisa - no doubt, I’m so glad SPAIN won without Raul and justified Aragones rants and anti-Raul tantrums. Maybe Schuster will grow a pair and sit that old fogey on the bench where he belongs instead of taking up space in the lineup while preventing another young player from developing.
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Wow…he’s sure going to regret that decision.
Leaving Madrid because of that? Talk about loyalty…
C. Ronaldo is a good player, but he’s not worth so much. Personally I don’t think he’s going to do so well with Madrid. He just won’t fit in. His style of playing football is different and it might take quite a while for him to adjust with the team.
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I don’t think Ronaldo can fit in at Madrid because at Man U he was free to go wherever he wanted on the pitch (due to the fact that Fureson dosn’t know tactics) but at Real, I doubt that Shuster would let Ronaldo roam like that. Plus he will be up against a normal defense.
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