Comments on: The Coach or The Players? http://real.theoffside.com/team-news/the-coach-or-the-players.html News from Real Madrid Spanish football team Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:57:44 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: john http://real.theoffside.com/team-news/the-coach-or-the-players.html#comment-5180 john Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:57:59 +0000 http://real.theoffside.com/team-news/the-coach-or-the-players.html#comment-5180 Fuckin' Huzzah, Corey - way to defend Real against the whole 'arrogant' tick. I think the arrogance that outsiders tend to reference is the fans' insistance of the best from the squad, and no doubt there are asshole supporters out there that give Madrid a bad name, but name a team, religion, country, powder puff football team that that's not true of. I think you covered all of the things maligning our club this year extrememly well, and Raji made some very good points to. I still think the big factors are our relience on Ruud and Raul, our crippled defense, and Schuster's failure to lift the team up and organize them when things start falling apart (also the continued lack of real formation is beginning to infuriate me). The other point you made that I think to be especially true is that of the coach - the team has constantly been forced to adapt to different styles, both playing and coaching. Okay, if there's one big difference between Capello's tactics and Schuster's it's that the defense attempts to press (sometimes all the way to the midfield line). Suprise suprise then, that we've been struggling to cover the counter attacks: we just started doing it this season. Not one of the defensive players has experience with that style of defense, except for Ramos (who's gotten the least complaints for his defending). The team is still learning the technique, and they're understandably bad at it. That's not an excuse, but it helps to understand. Fuckin’ Huzzah, Corey – way to defend Real against the whole ‘arrogant’ tick. I think the arrogance that outsiders tend to reference is the fans’ insistance of the best from the squad, and no doubt there are asshole supporters out there that give Madrid a bad name, but name a team, religion, country, powder puff football team that that’s not true of.

I think you covered all of the things maligning our club this year extrememly well, and Raji made some very good points to. I still think the big factors are our relience on Ruud and Raul, our crippled defense, and Schuster’s failure to lift the team up and organize them when things start falling apart (also the continued lack of real formation is beginning to infuriate me).

The other point you made that I think to be especially true is that of the coach – the team has constantly been forced to adapt to different styles, both playing and coaching. Okay, if there’s one big difference between Capello’s tactics and Schuster’s it’s that the defense attempts to press (sometimes all the way to the midfield line). Suprise suprise then, that we’ve been struggling to cover the counter attacks: we just started doing it this season. Not one of the defensive players has experience with that style of defense, except for Ramos (who’s gotten the least complaints for his defending). The team is still learning the technique, and they’re understandably bad at it. That’s not an excuse, but it helps to understand.

]]> By: Corey http://real.theoffside.com/team-news/the-coach-or-the-players.html#comment-5171 Corey Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:49:14 +0000 http://real.theoffside.com/team-news/the-coach-or-the-players.html#comment-5171 Also, the arrogance comment continues to confuse me. Isnt Manchester United arrogant in the way they manipulate ref's in the EPL, or Milan in the way they put more emphasis on a meaningless trophy in Japan then their own league, or Bayern Munich when their players speak to the press about how Aberdeen are a no good rotten stinkin team but almost end up loosing to them? When do Real players ever come off as arrogant, if their capitans main comment after every match is the team needs to work harder to achieve its goals. This arrogance you speak of is found only in the minds of people who are anti-Real for whatever reason. Also, the arrogance comment continues to confuse me. Isnt Manchester United arrogant in the way they manipulate ref’s in the EPL, or Milan in the way they put more emphasis on a meaningless trophy in Japan then their own league, or Bayern Munich when their players speak to the press about how Aberdeen are a no good rotten stinkin team but almost end up loosing to them?

When do Real players ever come off as arrogant, if their capitans main comment after every match is the team needs to work harder to achieve its goals. This arrogance you speak of is found only in the minds of people who are anti-Real for whatever reason.

]]> By: Corey http://real.theoffside.com/team-news/the-coach-or-the-players.html#comment-5169 Corey Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:34:46 +0000 http://real.theoffside.com/team-news/the-coach-or-the-players.html#comment-5169 Well you need to improve your English greatly, but if you have ever watched Real play before 2003, you would understand what our style of football is. There are so many great examples of our posession attacking stlye, watch a game from 1980s-2003 and you will see it. It is true we have fallen behind and Schuster has hardly delivered his promise of beautiful football, but it will take time, the Florentino Perez era of coaching and player changes really damaged the club to the core, so while Capello was brought in to make the team win, Schuster was brought in for winning and style of play, but he is doing little of either right now. I say he continues on, as rumors of Mourninho signing are vastly overspeculated. The truth is the club needs to have time to settle down again, and some continuity with a coach to play beautiful football. If you look at the big teams who play well, they have had coaches for longer then 2 years and this leads to stability and attractive football. Give it time, despite all the gripes we Real fans have, it should be commonly agreed that we need a coach to stay in power for longer then a year to play attractive football. Whether that is Schuster or not remains to be seen... Well you need to improve your English greatly, but if you have ever watched Real play before 2003, you would understand what our style of football is. There are so many great examples of our posession attacking stlye, watch a game from 1980s-2003 and you will see it.

It is true we have fallen behind and Schuster has hardly delivered his promise of beautiful football, but it will take time, the Florentino Perez era of coaching and player changes really damaged the club to the core, so while Capello was brought in to make the team win, Schuster was brought in for winning and style of play, but he is doing little of either right now. I say he continues on, as rumors of Mourninho signing are vastly overspeculated. The truth is the club needs to have time to settle down again, and some continuity with a coach to play beautiful football. If you look at the big teams who play well, they have had coaches for longer then 2 years and this leads to stability and attractive football.

Give it time, despite all the gripes we Real fans have, it should be commonly agreed that we need a coach to stay in power for longer then a year to play attractive football. Whether that is Schuster or not remains to be seen…

]]> By: McBishop http://real.theoffside.com/team-news/the-coach-or-the-players.html#comment-5166 McBishop Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:20:47 +0000 http://real.theoffside.com/team-news/the-coach-or-the-players.html#comment-5166 Wat ive never gotten round to understanding is that you real madrid people talk about your playing style so much you fired a coach for it but wat exatly is your style. Is it an attacking game,coz apart from the fact that(i do admit) you have the quickest players going forward Barca and Man U are still the best attacking teams. Then you say you play possession play but what of the balls people like Diarra give away so often even your most inventive passer Guti losses possession like crazy then makes one move to cover for it all. Your coach claims to love plays starting from the back so whats with the desparate pumeling forward of the ball now and again,then he is said to be a pioneer of entertaining football but every smaall team you play against seems to be the more entertaining team,or does it just rub off b4 the first whistle,or is it a passing game cause you guys are still way behind teams like arsenal,i wonder but id appreciate as much info on wats Real madrids style of football as much as possible. Wat ive never gotten round to understanding is that you real madrid people talk about your playing style so much you fired a coach for it but wat exatly is your style. Is it an attacking game,coz apart from the fact that(i do admit) you have the quickest players going forward Barca and Man U are still the best attacking teams. Then you say you play possession play but what of the balls people like Diarra give away so often even your most inventive passer Guti losses possession like crazy then makes one move to cover for it all. Your coach claims to love plays starting from the back so whats with the desparate pumeling forward of the ball now and again,then he is said to be a pioneer of entertaining football but every smaall team you play against seems to be the more entertaining team,or does it just rub off b4 the first whistle,or is it a passing game cause you guys are still way behind teams like arsenal,i wonder but id appreciate as much info on wats Real madrids style of football as much as possible.

]]> By: Raji http://real.theoffside.com/team-news/the-coach-or-the-players.html#comment-5147 Raji Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:07:43 +0000 http://real.theoffside.com/team-news/the-coach-or-the-players.html#comment-5147 i think its a mixture of arrogance from the team and bad rotation from Schuster. With their explosive start to the campaign and the morale/ego boosting win at Barca's home i think some of the players believed that they could relax. Secondly, Schuster has a tendency to overuse players and not rotate unless circumstances obligate. This overuse of key-players/ game-changing players leads to fatigue and a continuous run of under performance. And now his key-players are injured, and with this lack of rotation - it also leads to an over reliance on them. i think its a mixture of arrogance from the team and bad rotation from Schuster. With their explosive start to the campaign and the morale/ego boosting win at Barca’s home i think some of the players believed that they could relax. Secondly, Schuster has a tendency to overuse players and not rotate unless circumstances obligate. This overuse of key-players/ game-changing players leads to fatigue and a continuous run of under performance. And now his key-players are injured, and with this lack of rotation – it also leads to an over reliance on them.

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