

The Preview Of The Derbi
By: Corey | October 17th, 2008
So this is the preview of the Derbi Madrileno, which is the conclusion of the two week long series of posts for the derby. Its been a nice two weeks, because even though I usually take off from blogging during international breaks, I thought it was important to have a steady build up to this weekends derbi. If you missed it, Al of the Atletico Madrid Offside and I have been co-posting to keep people abrest of the going ons before the derbi. Of course the big talk the past few days has been the pathetic stadium ban for Atletico with CL games, as well as Englands supposive refusal to play a game at the Bernabeu.
Well the English have back tracked, putting their feet in their mouths (and asses), but there is still no announcement on a friendly (do we need to play the traveling circus anyways?) not to anyones surprise, while the bumbling, stumbling governing body of UEFA has decided to halt the ban until after the Liverpool match to accomidate the traveling fans (who will be racially abused anyways because thats what Spain is about…), and may even consider dropping the ban. Im all for stamping out racism, but is this the way to do it? Make a hard line, some what over the top decision, only to back down when the spotlight is on you? Seems all to often this is how footballs governing bodies operate.
Enough of the beauracratic crap for now, lets get to the match. This is the second Madrid derbi of the year, not that there are a whole lot of Madrid derbis every year, seeing as how all the Madrid based teams are pretty small outfits except Getafe with their recent rise. This derbi comes at an interesting time though, not only for the media driven attention both clubs have yielded, but also because its a pivotal time in both teams seasons. For Real, a win here will put us in good standing in the table, possibly allowing for us to leapfrog Barca, who face a tricky trip to Basque country. For Atletico, it is right smack in the middle of their miserable run of games where they will face Real, then Liverpool at home in the CL, then travel to Vilarreal for another top of the table clash.
Atletico also have the hangover of a pretty bad thrashing at the hands of Barca, so mentally they may be a tad worn down, but theres no better tonic to get a team going again then a derby. Real on the other hand are coming off a taxing schedule of 67games in a 1 month span, a 1-1 draw with Espanyol being the 7th game of that run. Full points were garnered up until the Espanyol game, putting Real in a good position in the CL as well as keeping them with in touching distance of leaders Valencia. Valencia for there part have looked good, but they have not yet played a top La Liga team, with 2 wins against mid-table clubs in Almeria and Depor and 4 wins against relegation fodder.

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Title credentials aside, this game is the sole focus of a city, and for many a fan in Spain who either support one side or the other. This rivalry has existed since the inception of the two teams, who were founded a year apart, 1902 for Real, 1903 for Atletico. Los Colchoneros have always been seen as the smaller of the two Madrid teams, mostly due to Real winning more titles. Atletico has had periods of great success too, as Atletico Aviacion in the 40s all the way up to their last Primera title in 96. The derbi itself was played out in Kings Cup matches in the early days of Spanish football, with the first official derbis occuring when the professional league was founded in 1929. Atletico are of course the third best team in La Liga history, just in head of Bilbao.
The derbi itself has brought so many beautiful moments along with some very unsavory things as well. The political undertones have lessen to a great extent these days, but it is well known that Atletico are the left wing supporters as compared to Reals more right wing supporters. This is more of a historical precedent dating back to pre-Civil War times, and it must be said that at one point Atletico were a puppet team of General Franco as Atletico Aviacion. But these things are not longer true, as besides the socio-economic demographics of the locations of the two stadiums, the political leanings seem to be mixed. It can truely be said that Rayo Vallecano is the club of the people, the left wing symbol in Madrid these days, not necessarily Atletico.
Atletico’s coach is Javier Aguirre, the Mexican tactician who lead Osasuna into the CL before taking over Atletico a few years ago. He has spent heavily to get the team that he wants, and he has so far gotten the squad back to the CL and competing for the knockout rounds. I dont think I like him per say, I dont really have an opnion of him. Although shouting obscentities at Mathieu Valbuena never endears a coach to neutral fans. Tactically he is pretty rigid, with a 4-4-2 his perferred formation, with a defensive midfielder paired with a central midfielder and two outside midfielders flanking them. The outside midfielders are not wingers, as they track back quite a bit, but in Luis Garcia they have someone who will tend to drift in more often then not, while the talents of Maxi Rodriguez and Simado Sabrosa are best utilized further forward then they are played.
Simao and Maxi should be fit for the match, so it will be interesting to see who Aguirre goes with out wide. Luis Garcia is on his day a very tidy player, who led a (I want something else to get me through this) semi-charmed kind of life (baby, baby) at Liverpool after so-so spells all over La Liga. My thinking here is that while Maxi played against Barca but left the field in the 20th minute, Simao has been out for a few games, so Luis Garcia may retain his place. Miguel Das Cuevas will be an option of the bench too, the Spanish youth international benefiting from Jurado (former Castilla talent) moving on loan to Mallorca along with fly in the ointment Cleber Santana.

I must also point out that while they may not see time in the Derbi, Atleti possess the 16 year old sensation Keko as well as 19 year old talent Joshua for the wings. Joshua plays on the left but also can play as a striker, while Keko is a right attacking midfielder and is very talented. Both were on the bench against Barcelona, and while the injuries lessen for Aguirre, he may still have one of the two in reserve for the derbi. To keep other young talent Nacho Camacho occupied on the bench atleast.
Atletico’s ability to spread the field is important, as they do not exactly have a dynamic central midfield. Paulo Assuncao is a reliable midfielder, capable in his duties of shielding the back four, but he lacks any sort of attacking prowess. Raul Garcia is a little better at that, but again, I dont see him as the sort of threat our midfield would worry about. Ever Banega is a more capable yet more erratic midfielder who will probably start on the bench for los colchoneros (thats the matresses in Spanish by the way). Assuncao and Garcia provide a solid platform with which Atletico can attack on, but they add very little to the overal attack themselves, save for a few pot shots.
So this is what I mean by spreading the field. Without the width, Atletico’s attack is suffocated, as Aguero and Forlan (or Pongolle) will have to drop deep to get a sniff at the ball. If they dont drop deep, look for some hopeful punts up field. This is the key to this game, and its also a reason why deploying Diarra is not essential. Gago and De la Red will do just fine. Of course the use of someone like Nacho Camacho or Maniche would switch up the midfield a bit. But so far Aguirre has shown little faith in the hot shot Camacho, who I really like, due to his age and inexperience.
Maniche on the other hand has come back from the dead, with some stirring performances for a coach most thought he couldnt even stand the sight of. Maniche has a bit of a niggle, and he may be declared fit for the match yet. Last I checked he was set to go, but I suppose from the bench, which would leave my Gago-De la Red partnership still on the table. But if Maniche is playing, Diarra is a much better option then Gago to shield the defence as well as keep Maniche from getting in behind him for a shot. Diarra’s medical status is still uncertain though, so we will see if he is even able to go.
As for the strikers, enough cant be said about Aguero. He is a very potent finisher for such a young age, and he can dribble his fair share as well. He will look to link with Forlan or Pongolle, who are really just out their to pick up the scraps that comes his way and see what they can do with them. It would be foolish to say that anyone other then Aguerro is the focus of the attack, and thus it sort of nullifies the contributions of Pongolle mostly. Sinama is a player I like, because he is very technically gifted, but he also loves to get stuck in. He has something like 13 fouls against already this season, along with the four goals he has scored, meaning he will barge over a defender to get on to a through ball.
Aguero on the other hand has something like 3 shots on target out of 10, with 2 goals (in La Liga). So when you look at that stat, you have to think that unless he is presented with a half chance in the box he will take it, otherwise he is not as accurate as some may tend to think. Nullifying his chance to pounce on a defensive mistake is the best bet for Real to leave with a clean sheet. By constricting Atletico’s play into the center where there is a lack of creativity, it will cut off the supply to the strikers. After that, it is most important that we clear all balls into the area, as that is where the Atletico strikers are dangerous. Of course keeping Forlan and Aguero from running at the center backs will important, but if they are droping deep this problem will be lessoned.

Defensively Atletico has improved a whole lot. Perea is a good defender,but he was often left hanging in the wing by Ze Castro or Pablo the past few years, which made him look less then efficient. With Jonny Heitinga next to him, he has a much more positionally reliable partner, allowing Perea to make quick bursts forward to rob the ball off a player or clear a short pass to the striker at midfield. He is excellent at that, and he is also very good in the air. Heitinga is also great in the air, but his lack of pace means that if his positional sense is key, otherwise Perea is racing to cover Heitinga’s weak side.
Ujfalusi is a much better left back then Seitaridis ever will be, as evidence by his long career of solid play in Serie A. Ujfalusi really cannot attack much, as he is slow and unskilled offensively. But he will sit back and look to keep Robben from getting in full flight, because if he is, he cannot stop him, he is just to slow. On the right side, Antonio Lopez, off-and-on Spain international, has had a good start to tthe season, combining his natural attacking energies with some solid defending. The again he had a miserable time with Messi, and was one of those cuplable for the Barca rout, but who doesnt have ttrouble with Messi? Pernia is another option at right back, but his form has dropped off considerably.
Due to the 4-4-2 that focuses on a solid core with 2 stationary center midfielders, as well as Ujfalusi being somewhat of an auxillary central defender with his lack of forward movement, Antonio Lopez will look to get forward as much as possible then, hopefully to nullify the presence of Sergio Ramos, but also because Simao is a very capable defender when he tracks back.
As for keepers, having been a life long fan of Olympique Lyon, I rate Gregory Coupet very highly. Leo Franco is not a bad keeper either. Greg is a world class keeper, but having moved teams and league os late in his career, I feel that he will not adeqautely adjust because he is on the down slope. Of course Pato at Getafe moved to Spain late in his career too and has done excellent, so maybe Coupet will turn it around. I expect to see Leo Franco though, as Coupet was in net for the Barca thrashing, and although the goals were not all his fault, so many is never tolerable.
Real Madrid News:

What? I Didnt Touch Him!
Miguel Torres tore a thigh muscle in his left lef in Spain u-21’s victory over Switzerland to qualify for the u-21 Championships. He will be out for around three weeks, which leaves a little short defensively now as well, seeing as how Javi Garcia has been moved up to the midfield role with the injuries we have sustained there. Guti has been ruled out of the match, which is not much of a surprise, as his injury was suppose to keep him out until atleast next week. This means that Van der Vaart will definately be playing, as Robben is also still doubtful. Robben will probably be able to play, but we still dont know.
Diarra also still a doubt, but like Robben, I feel he will be ready. Gago has been training with the squad during the break and he is fully fit for the match, so it looks like he will partner Ruben in the center, with VdV further ahead. Ruben had talked to the press about moving back in order to accomidate the team, but I dont forsee that being needed with Gago fit as well as being able to utilize Javi Garcia. Using both Javi Garcia and Gago behind Ruben might be interesting, with VDV providing limited width for Raul and Ruud. But without Robben, VdV may just stick to his usual attacking midfield role also, and then we could see the three pronged attack of Higuain, Raul and Ruud again.
Defensively we will have the unchanged back line of Ramos, Pepe, Canna and Heinze. Metzelder and Marcelo are the only defensive reserves we have with Javi Garcia being on the bench for midfield coverage. I would like to see Marcelo out their, but Maxi Rodriguez could give him a torrid time, so the grit of Heinze may be a better choice. Ramos will also have a more difficult game, as Simao is very capable of tracking back to defend him, something he is not that use to. Luis Garcia would probably just let him go in the hope of getting free if the ball squirts his way.
Two strikers or three strikers? This is the question of the day, because this decides the midfield as well. Given Atletico’s porous defence against Barca, one would suggest letting two strikers go at them. Because hey, that should be enough. But they have been drilling for two weeks on defense, and I think highly of Atletico’s defenders, so a three pronged attack may help alot. Higuain, Raul and Ruud provide an interesting problem for any defense, in that they are all some what interchangable positionally, and that they dont really spread the field to much, allowing the wing backs more space when going forward.
UPDATE: Diarra looks certain to be ruled out along with Torres and Guti. Robben has passed a fitness test and will be on the bench, meaning the three pronged attack will be deployed.
My predicted scoreline is 3-2, with Raul netting yet another winner for us. Should be a great match. Steve will have a liveblog, dont forget Saturday 2pm eastern time. HALA MADRID!

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Not my point. Why are penalties rarely ever given against Real, oh, but there’s no hesitation from the ref when the call goes for them. Also what warrented the need for so much extra time? 6 minutes??? Also, I have no doubts that it was a penalty, because it was, it was the fact that no other team would have 1. got 6 minutes added time (rarely ever) and 2. been given the penalty last minute
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I’d be agreeing with Anthony as I’m the bitter Atletico Madrid fan here, but a loss is a loss and there’s really no use in arguing about a finished match.
Still… UGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
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Interesting match, to say the least!
1: Realissimo could have easily gotten 4 goals. IMHO only one of those 2 “offsides” was clearly onside. The Fisrt was debatable, still it should not have been anuled.
2: Poor finishing/assits. Atletico could also of had more goals if only the last shot and or pass wasn’t so badly wasted.
3: whats up with 6 mins of extra time? where did that come from.
4: The peanlty was definately a penalty. Very similar to the penalty againts Messi. Whats up with the horrid defending? I know its always man or ball but not in the box come on!
5:In one sence the game should have finished 1-1 because those 6 minutes were unwarranted, but EE did deserve the win because of that 1 disallowed goal so the 2-1 was fair.
6: Forlan is from Uruguay not Argentina.
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Ah these bitter fans of other team thinks everytime we win it’s because of the refree. FYI if it wasnt for that 6 mins atleti wouldnt have equalised. And if you think the refree is so biased towards us, then go watch the game again.
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Hey Corey, (or the other Real Madrid blogger) can you give me your email address? Or shoot it to me at agiamba [at] gmail (dot) com. I’d like to get your opinion on some things/general questions to put in the Juve’s Offside blog before our game on Wednesday.
By the way, Juve had 14 players fit for duty in our 2-1 loss today. We lost at home last week 2-1 to Palermo. Then we drew 2-2 to Bate. We haven’t won in a month. Madristas, be very, very confident before Wednesday’s game….got all the reasons in the world to be.
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Blaze, I wonder if you meant me
if you notice I was pretty objective. But your wrong, Atleti did not need 6 Mins to tie but less than 1. Hope we can win tomrrow!
Visça el Barça!
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Anthony,you just don’t know what you’re talking about, better go rant on the Farza forum, surely you’re a farza fan…
what’s with real never getting a penalty against??? did you see the espanyol game? they got a penalty, at the bernabeu, so your point is just rubbish…
And you also said the ref was a Real man??? how come? just because he awarded 6 extra min, and a penalty in the end? for your information, is not the ref who awards the injury time, IT’S THE FOURTH OFFICIAL, so he must be the Real fan…, and the penalty was as clear as daylight, so if calling the right thing makes a ref a Real fan, well, all the refs who do a good job (very few in La Liga) must be in our pockets
That’s it, do a little research next time, and take your time to think about what you’re going to say, because your post was just Atletic, i mean, Pathetic….
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Anthony, FYI, Farza got almost 15 min more thanks to their “supporters” in their game against Espanyol, and wouldn’t you know it, THEY ALSO GOT A PENALTY IN THE LAST MINUTE, MUCH MORE DUBIOUS THAN THE ONE WE GOT!!!, so there, you make it so easy man, you know, never mind what I said, keep posting in our forum, it would make me sad not te read your “posts”…
To all Madridistas, Congratulations on a hard fought victory, now we gott prepare for Juve, HALA MADRID!!!!
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WOW so much anemocity! Cesar, if Im not mistaken wich, I don’t think I am; it’s not the fourth official that decides how many minutes to add. That is the decision of the Refferee the fourth official, who is only an assistant, meerely shows how many minutes the reff added. Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe I’m right. Notice I mentioned earlier that EE deserved the win.

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Yeah, you’re right, and I was wrong about the fourth official, and sorry if I sounded a little pissed off, it’s just than I’m tired of hearing that crap about us and referees, when the same can be said of Farza, or whenever a big club plays a smaller one
anyway, I’m glad we won, it’s a shame we lost ruud for the next two games, but we’ll manage without him
take care everybody
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cam’t u appeal a red card ???? i thought we can.that red card should not stand. neways its time for some oldladykilling now. hala madrid.
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I’m actually not an Atleti or Barca fan FYI. Coudln’t care less about this game, just an observation.
Clos Gomez is a Real fan, he has come out in the past and openly admitted it, and I wasn’t arguing that the penalty was a bad call, I’m just saying why is it on average that Real get about 5-6 mins of added time a game whilst all the other teams in the league (bar Barca) get 3-4, surely not a coincidence. So what if Espanyol got a penalty at the Bernabeu? I didn’t say it never happens, just rarely ever. Please read my posts properly before responding with such hostility, and also never EVER accuse me of supporting Atleti or Barca, because quite frankly I don’t, and I could rant all day about them as well.
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Fyi, one of Juve’s starters picked up another injury in yesterday’s game….we’re down to 13 men.
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im sure RVN’s red card will be appealed and revoked
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The ref favoritism is a load of shit. Im sorry but, when you look at decisions for and against over the course of a season, most teams end up even while a few are +/- 2 or 3, which really is not indicative of a huge bias towards one team.
As for Juve Alessio, why doesnt Ranieri call up any youngsters? I know for a fact you have excellent academy players waiting to making there big break. Is it a similar situation to Real’s, where the youth team players are looked down upon by the clubs management?
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9 CL’s I assure you that the red will not be revoked. It may have been a bit harsh,I believe it was worthy of a yellow, but “Van Gol” was full of intent and revenge. Upon review, the Card cannot be reduced to a yellow only revoked, so it will be upheld!
Visça el Barça.
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Tomatutomate, La Liga is no different than any other league. Real Madrid and Barca, just like Liverpool, Man U, Arsenal, and Chelsea are the pride and joy of the league, the gems in the crown, the Spanish FA will do anything to see those teams succeed. Perfect example, about a month ago in the EPL John Terry, captain for Chelsea literall used a rugby tackle on Jo from Man City but the red was still revoked. RVD will get his red revoked, no doubt. They’ll come up with some good excuse.
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Haha, we called up 7 youth team players for our last match. We already have 3 players who were youth team players 2 years ago, so…yeah.
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Anthony, sorry if I was hostile, as I said before, I’m fed up with all this crap about Real Madrid and refs, and since you were saying those things about my team, afer the game, on this post, I assumed that you were either a Farza or Patetico fan, so once again, I’m sorry
Just for the record, I’d like to know wich team you support, so in the future I won’t make the same mistake
Take care everybody
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I really feel bad for Juventus. According to Alessio, they only have 13 players fit for the match. I think their coach should bring in some youngsters if that is possible.
What they are going through is a real crisis. No team wants to be in their position right now but “Big teams suffer but never die” And Juve is a big team.
Looking forward to the match.
Hala Madrid!
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Cesar, Anthony is our resident Sevilla blogger, taking over for my old friend Ryan Knapp.
Alessio, where is my email so I can answer your questions?
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I need your email..or shoot me one.
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Alessio, I sent you one yesterday, guess you didnt get it. Here is mine: cnfiske@quinnipiac.edu I am at work and cant access it but send me the stuff there and I will get it back to you later today before I have class.
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Just because no one else addressed the issue: The six minutes of added time were given primarily because of the 4 minutes in which the game was stopped to address the referee’s muscle strain. (remember? He had to be taken off the pitch and stopped the game?) As a supporter of an enormous, successful and wealthy club that is televised every week, you have to expect to be placed under some scrutiny. Refs make mistakes all the time (especially in La Liga) and when the calls are made in favor of the large clubs, people will always start blathering about conspiracy. It is sort of funny, because while people like Anthony feel the refs were biased towards Madrid, the club and coaches feel that it was visa versa due to Ruud’s goal being (incorrectly) disallowed, and then the harsh decision to give him a straight red.
Anyways, Anthony: there have absolutely been instances where teams like Real and Barcelona have gotten ‘lucky’ or biased calls in their favor. However, I think that your cynicism on this particular match is unwarented.
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As I have said, if you looked at all the bad calls over a course of a year, most teams will end up even, and maybe 3 teams will come out on the positive side and 3 times on the negative side, but by no more then a +/- 3 decisions. Really cant effect a team that much unless it was a final day title/relegation decider.
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