What Exactly Is Our Transfer Policy?

By: Corey | January 29th, 2008

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When Ramon Calderon took over last year, he promised some high profile signings. I didnt really care to much about that. Sure Fabregas, Kaka and Ronaldo are good players, but did we need all three or even any? Seems like we didnt, hell we dont even really need Robben seeing as how he is always injured. So I want to look at what exactly our transfer policy is.

Obviously we still pay a hefty fee for anyone we buy. Drenthe, Pepe, Robben and Diarra were all way over priced. They are good additions to the squad, players I like, but their value was probably less then half of what their transfer fee ended up being. Is Pepe really worth 30 million? No, maybe 10 or 15, he is has yet to prove much although has had a few promising displays. Why do we pay such a high price for players then? The answer is that we can, which is a two way street.

On one hand we can afford the high prices, but does anyone really want to pay alot for something they could get for cheaper? No, my buddies and I want to get a kegerator for our house, but at $300 base price, we think we might be better off with ice in a bucket. The second aspect of this is we simply can not negotiate fee’s down with other teams because they know we have the money. Then why dont we look some where else? Does not matter where you go, its always gonna be the little guys want the most they can get out of us, and with reason, we usually are buying a teams best player. Not to be cocky, its just small teams like Almeria or Getafe live off transfer fees and loans from big clubs.

So why not buy players for cheap when they are young and integrate that with a competitive youth system? Well thats my feeling, its what I do when ever I play a soccer video game and its what I advise teams do whenever I post on the Offside. Do the big teams listen, no. When you look at the amount of money big clubs put into their youth systems but then compare that to how many of these young players make it to the first team, you wonder why they waste their money and time. Use that money to buy more players!

Buying players is a neccessary evil sometimes, and I can not stand here and say all youth team players should be in the first team at some point, most of the time they are not good enough. But at our current rate, we have a few, but im unsure if Balboa and Soldado will stay much longer, while Torres is solid as can be so no complaint there. The big spending of the Perez era have been scaled back, and I am extremely happy we have three youth team players in the squad this year. But when you look across La Liga and see Negredo doing well for Almeria and De la Red running things from Getafe and Javi Garcia growing at Osasuna and Juan Mata, well he is playing for the crisis team at the moment and Alberto Bueno is sitting in Castilla still. It just pains me to think that this generation of players is gone and they could have been so good. We will always have a good two or three players every year, as evidence with Adrian (on loan at Celta), Parejo (Castilla) and Granero (on loan at Getafe) who all look certain to return to the first team next year just like Balboa and Soldado did.

But the Quatro of Negredo, Bueno, Mata and Soldado is no more, with De la Red, Granero, Balboa and Adrian their supply line. Just imagine in two or three years how incredible such a lineup would be…and think of how much money we would have to spend on transfers…Now you can argue that these players are not good enough for Real, this may be true now, but in two or three years they surely will be. Cesc wasnt good enough for Barca, but with time he is more then good enough at Arsenal. So why are we selling these guys so early, why are they not getting cracks at the first/loans. Christ, half of our youth team players are sold between 19-22. Thats young, very few players are fully matured professionals at that stage. The answer to that question is in this interview along with the future of our transfer policy:

Julen Lopetegui, Real’s chief international scout, discussed Real’s recent scouting missions across the globe and also how the club’s transfer policy may be reshaped to integrate more youth team players:

“Someone like Messi is not manufactured, he appears and that is what clubs must find,”

“We will have to wait and see if Bojan and Giovani are the players everyone things that they will be. There is a lot of impatience.

Our youth teams are very good and have various stars coming up. There will be some surprises in four years time.

“Brazil exports around 500 professional footbalers every year. You can find some marvellous surprises that nobody has heard of,” he said.

“They are different, not better. Their style is wilder and has to be polished. They are very technical and they can perfect the rest, like in Africa. Our job is to find the unpolished ones.

“We study the players that we have been told about first and we watched them. We do not just go to a country blind and have a look about.

“Our aim is to familiarise ourselves before they become known and the price goes up.”

“Some players have convinced me even though they have played badly,” he continued.

“I look at their technique, their physique and I also look into their psychological side; how they can handle pressure and cope with playing different teams in different positions.

“It is not the same to sign for Osasuna as it is for Real Madrid. To be successful though, you have to take risks.”

“We have to expand our structure. Globalisation has arrived and English footbal has been the pioneer, while in France it has also worked well,” he explained.

“But Spain’s youth system is in good shape. We just lack a bit of confidence and the kids must not believe that by winning a youth championship you have already succeeded.”

“The most important thing is to love football. My family understands me and even my son helps when watching kids’ games on television,” he stated.

“Having played the game also helps, but I do not know if that is vital.”

So is this the case? Spain’s youth teams are feared across Europe and the world, they are on par with Brazil and Argentina, France and Holland etc. and they win lots of trophies at junior level. But what happens after then? Well, at 16 or 19 or 21 they are the best player in Europe or the World or just in a youth tournament. So dont they deserve to be in the first team? Sometimes their attitude is skewed because they stop working as hard, they have already proven to be great youth players, the next step wont be to hard. Or sometimes the clubs they are at simply dont allow them to grow. But I digress.

So we are looking into canidates in Brazil and Africa, with Opare already signed for Castilla along with the Chilean forward Sebastien Pinto and we are close to signing Espnayol and Spain u-19 international Oscar Reyes. We also were suppose to rap up the signing of younf Brazilian attacking midfielder Tiago Luis Martins (1989), but I have read he signed a new contract with Santos, which means any deal has just upped by two digits atleast. And what ever happened to Dani Aquino? He is a stud, would be worth the money.

The question is, what should our transfer policy be?






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  • Inara |  January 29th, 2008 at 7:07 pm

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    I always think it’s so funny that Barca is currently integrating their best youth players (Messi, dos Santos, Krkic, loaning out Crosas), but Madrid just buys those youngsters from other clubs.

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  • -a |  January 29th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

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    NB: Messi was originally playing for Newell’s Old Boys youth team before Barcelona scouts found him, Inara. Iniesta was brought into Barcelona’s system when he was found from Albacete Balompié. Few other players were found like that.

    In many ways, Barcelona have a similar transfer policy to Real. They’ve let go of quite a few youth players (integrating a few more than Real), but readily look for experienced talent (eg Henry, Yaya, Abidal et al).

    I think English teams (especially Arsenal) poach other teams youth systems more often than even Real or Barcelona Probably because the English youth system is absolute shite.

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  • Steve |  January 29th, 2008 at 8:31 pm

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    I love how everyone loves to knock Madrid about their transfer policy and hold up Barca as a shining example of how to do things right. Hello? Did anyone forget about Thuram, Zambrotta, Henry, Eto’o, Ronaldinho? All players bought as finished products.

    If anything, Barca can be commended to have bought their youth players early, so they could still go through the Barca academy. Lest we forget, Messi and Giovani were bought from Newell’s Old Boys and Club Monterrey, respectively. And Krkic’s father has been a Barca scout since 1997… like the son would go anywhere else?

    Let’s see, who has come up from Real’s academy… Casillas, Guti, Raul (admittedly with some luck from Atletico)… Of course, the galacticos policies put paid to a whole set of players, and we’re still feeling the after-effects.

    So would we be better off with Juan Mata, Negredo, Granero, et al all back with the mothership? I don’t know the answer to that question, but the criticism that Real doesn’t produce their own is bollocks, especially if Barca is used as the counterexample.

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  • Steve |  January 29th, 2008 at 8:39 pm

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    -a, amen brother, you beat me to the punch. I always have a go at people using Barca or Man U as examples of homegrown players. Puh-leeze. Man U hasn’t had a single good homegrown player come up since… John O’Shea? Wes Brown? I did say “good player”, didn’t I?

    Man U’s rep came from a single glorious set of players like Giggs, Scholes, Beckham and the Neville brothers. That’s a once in a lifetime find.

    The rest of their team is bought like all the other top teams (with the exception of possibly Arsenal). Ferdinand: bought from West Ham. Hargreaves: bought from Bayern Munich. Carrick: Tottenham. Tevez via West Ham. Anderson from Porto. C. Ronaldo and Nani from Sporting Benfica. Rooney from Everton. van der Sar via Fulham. Evra, Park Ji-Sung, Saha, etc… the list goes on.

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  • -a |  January 29th, 2008 at 10:01 pm

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    Ya, exactly.

    Here’s how the big two compare at the moment:

    100% Real products: Casillas, Guti, Torres.

    If we expand that to include players they’ve brought in from other youth teams into their own, then you have: Raúl, Jordi, Balboa, Soldado (originally from Valencia).

    7 in total, with about three or four receiving the most playing time.

    Now for Barcelona’s current situation:

    100% Barça products: Valdés, Bojan.

    Players brought in from other youth teams to their B team: Puyol (believe it! he was 17 when a scout found him), Iniesta, dos Santos, Messi, Oleguer, Jorquera, Oier Olazabal.

    Broadly speaking, they have 9 top players from the youth system. Of those, three, four, maybe even five receive the most playing time.

    The situations are very similar.

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  • Gonzalo |  January 30th, 2008 at 4:55 am

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    The fact of the matter is that football fans like spectacle, they like to be excited about seeing their team play. And the most expedient way of doing this is to buy the top players from the top clubs. And when you’re Real Madrid that is a very expensive exercise.

    The problem with the current youth system is that you cannot buy the most promising young players and then stick them in Castilla in an uncompetitive championship – they just will not mature. So you loan them out to other 1st division clubs to keep an eye on them and when they don’t quite mesure up against the expensive stars you’ve bough you let them go and open yourself up to accussations of not nurturing talent – you can’t win.

    I read in As the other day that Real is looking for a feeder club in Portugal or Belgium to toughen them up. As long as it’s a top division club in that country, it might be a good compromise. Better than paying 30 million for Pepe, who may be the next big thing in central defenders, but who might have come a lot cheaper had we spotted him sooner.

    I don’t see things changing much – some clubs buy players and some clubs nurture them and make money selling them.

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  • john |  January 30th, 2008 at 12:16 pm

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    Shockingly good post. Shockingly good comments.

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  • john |  January 30th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

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    And Getafe just felled Mallorca, preserving their run for the Copa del Rey, thanks to an 80th minute away goal from… that’s right: Our boy Grenaro. Bring him home. Enough said.

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  • Corey |  January 30th, 2008 at 5:24 pm

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    I do my best john.

    I think what I was trying to convey is that with the increase in transfer fees in the past 10 years, does it make sense for us to return to the more traditional transfer policy of try the youth team players first before we buy other players?

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  • john |  January 30th, 2008 at 6:09 pm

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    Without turning this into a hug-fest: You do a great job Corey. Please keep it up.

    To give Capello credit, he was good about taking advantage of our youth talents, giving Torres a good handful of starts, and De la Red a few chances as well. In a sense, this is one valid critisism I have of Schuster’s summer transfers. Yes, I defended them at the time by pointing out the length of the season, combined with all of the tournaments Madrid would be competing in, arguing that the more players the merrier – the depth would come to our rescue (I never imagined that they would actualy touch the bottom of that squad, but hey, it happened). However, when Capello needed that depth (which the all-the-sudden tight fisted tandem of Bert and Ernie – I mean, er, Mijatovich and Calderon – wouldn’t allow him) he tapped the youth squad. To me, this is a great way of introducing these kids – go to them when you need them. It’s a great gauge of how they’ll handle the pressure of playing in the Primera, and the added pressure that the Bernabeu brings to that. I’d like to see more of that, and it would be good way of arriving at the decision, when the summer comes, of whether we should seek finished products from elsewhere, or move up a youth player for the spot. Notice that one position we didn’t look to build in depth last summer was Right Back, and I’m pretty sure it wasn’t because we had faith in mighty Michel Salgado. Now Torres is giving Marcelo competition at Left Back.

    Lastly, and I think someone’s already pointed out, but it bears repeating: when you bring a kid up through the youth system and then move him into the Primera side he tends to stay with you – for life. Think Guti, Puyol, Raul, and let’s pray Casillas. It at least takes a formidable bid to tear them away: think Beckham. Man, are my comments getting long lately.

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  • Corey |  January 31st, 2008 at 8:03 am

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    I agree that Schuster is not using the youth team like he should be, but with two of our best on loan (plus Agus) and two others recently sold (Javi Garcia and Negredo), it is slim pickings. This years Castilla team can really on boast a solid core of keepers as usual and Parejo, Schorch and Bueno. The rest our either left behind from the Torres, Soldado, De la Red and Javi Garcia generation or are still to young to have proven much. I would like to see Schuter do two things. One is call up one or two youth players this term, Parejo and Bueno most likely. I would also like him to recall Granero and Adrian Gonzalez.

    His major fault lies in the fact that he let De la Red go, but this season he has proven to be much better then Gago. Gago has come along since Diarra has been away, but I still think De la Red leaving was a huge error. His other fault lies in not using Balboa and Soldado, who would be starters in other La Liga teams. Sub appearances at the least would be good, both players have tremendous potential and I would like them to get more time. If not, sell them so they dont stagnate.

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  • Gonzalo |  January 31st, 2008 at 11:27 am

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    De la Red is doing a good job at Getafe, but that doesn’t mean he would do better then Gago in the msae position; especially not now that Gago seems to have grown in confidence over the last month. Perhaps it was a mistake to let him go, but then he is getting plenty of playing time and we have the option to buy him back if he does ‘explode’ over the next couple of years.

    Soldado has been woefully underused given the effort that was made to keep him over the summer. I honestly don’t get what Schuster has been doing here. But then, I’m basing this on his performances for Osasuna last year; maybe he just doesn’t cut it in training with the others; he didn’t take the few chances he had in the Copa del Rey.

    I’d also like to add my congrats on a great set of articles – wish I had the time myself! ;)

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  • Corey |  January 31st, 2008 at 1:43 pm

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    Thanks Gonz, like I said, I try to provide good information and my opinion to give readers a solid article. But half of the time the comments I get give me ideas for posts or tip me off to things I did not know, so everyone who reads and/or comments, I thank you. More posts will continue as I have figured my schedule out and have set aside atleast 2 hours a week and time on the weekend for posts.

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  • Corey |  January 31st, 2008 at 1:47 pm

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    Also, the analytcs are in and we jumped up to 7,000+ views last month with an average time of 2:51 spent on the page. I consider this to be a huge improvement, I am very happy with the 8-10 of you who regularly read and post here. But since this is a site for the best club in the world, we should be the best site out there. So get those views up, tell your friends and drop the url on other sites!

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  • Gonzalo |  January 31st, 2008 at 2:09 pm

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    Ah – you make me envious ;)

    I get about 60 views a day, or just under 2,000 a month, so clearly I’ve a way to go. It is good, however, to get things off your chest in a forum where people can agree or disagree, but generally in a constructive way.

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  • Evo |  February 1st, 2008 at 10:28 am

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    Soldado is the main one I regret not seeing more of than we do, i suspect he has the potential to be a really fantastic player. The problem with relying on the 3Rs up front week in week out is that if one of them is injured your backups are not up to the job (see Saviola’s performance in the copa for an example).
    Seems we have the opposite problem of Liverpool, most of their fans complain about too much rotation.

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  • Shivashankar |  February 1st, 2008 at 11:09 am

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    Well,it seems Ruud van nistelrooy is injured and wont take part in the weekends title clash against Almeria.
    Hope Soldado proves his worth.
    and i also hope that even though Real will win the match,let our Negredo also make an impact.
    Time for schuster to try something new with our youth players.

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  • Corey |  February 1st, 2008 at 2:01 pm

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    Yes Ruud is a doubt, and Negredo is an Almeria player, so we will never see him again unless he bags 30 in a season. Soldado may not be fully fit, which means Higuain and Raul are the likely starting pair, but they lack any kind of chemistry as they both play the same position. Raul is dreadful at being a lone striker as well, so if Soldado is thrown into the mix, I worry he wont be ready. But lets hope he can do something, Balboa and Robinho can be used as support striker as well dont forget.

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  • Corey |  February 1st, 2008 at 2:02 pm

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    Also, right winger Nieto, who played well under Capello last year in 7 appearances for the first team, has signed a contract with Almeria for next season, which is a shame because we lack balance on the right and I was hoping Schuster would use him since he clearly doesnt fancy Babloa much and Robben is a paper wafer.

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